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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  238232 on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:50 am

    Beauty. If the samples check out how long until they're ready for sale?
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:06 am

    Depending on production etc I've estimated a month at most.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  jacko1120 on Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:08 pm

    Cost estimate?
    I would defiantly love to buy 1000 as soon as you get them.
    How do you assume we will attach them to the blue foam?
    Hot glue?
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:38 pm

    Hot Glue will work, but from what I've been told it's just silicone glued into actual darts, but I'm sure we can find something cheap to insert them
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  LiveB8 on Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:04 am

    inf0rm3r are you still acccepting orders for darts at this point? if so when would you require payments to be made?

    i ask because at this point with the number of blasters my friends and i have these days ammo is and ammo prices are starting to become a concern as far as the wieght of our wallets goes lol
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  oxymoron on Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:19 am

    These look great. I'm keen for 500 or so at least.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:46 am

    I finally have costing.

    The first initial 25,000 will be 0.091 cents each. The cost has been blown out due to an initial 700.00 molding cost and sample fee of 200.00. They have offered me good discounts on continued business so I have been assured once we go through 50,000 we will get pricing as low as 6-7 cents each.

    If you break up the current costing:

    100 Darts will cost $13.60 to produce which is still much better than Hasbro's offer of $30.00 per 100. This material can be shipped anywhere in Australia for $6.80 regular pricing, so delivered it is still $20.40 to your door.

    0.75 x 6 $4.50
    0.091 x $9.10

    I cannot discount these as I'm literally making half a cent for each one I sell.

    samples are in production and due next week early.

    If you want darts, please PM as I have a few in production at the moment.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Joey on Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:12 am

    14c a dart, who can complain?

    I have told you my order. PM me the details with an EST pickup date and I will send you the money.


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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  238232 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:25 am

    Looking forward to these.

    I didn't see this in the thread, but assuming the 100 darts you used as an example in your previous post are 70 mm overall, I take it the tips are 10 mm long or so? I'll most likely be making shorter darts than that, so a confirmation on the length would be great to help me with my materials estimate.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:30 am

    The tip head is 6.5mm, with stub 12mm.

    If you want to make your darts to a desired length, I sell the foam in 1M Lengths - this is often the preferred method. The 100 darts that I make are stock length, same as streamlines.

    The weight is also looking to be around 1.7grams according to my supplier, this can be modified quiet easily to preference by increasing density of stub length, which will be good as in later batches I intend to make a tip for stock guns and heavily modded guns as this won't incur extra mold costs.

    I've also made the shape a dome, and ensured I'm not breaking any patents, I shouldn't get sued.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:12 pm

    Bad Picture as it's 1AM not very well lit and I do not have my SLR here.

    http://oi54.tinypic.com/10efqt3.jpg

    I only received 10 samples I do still have 1 spare to go to NSW and the VIC guys. If you PM me I can get it organised!
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Genacon on Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:42 pm

    inf0rm3r wrote:Bad Picture as it's 1AM not very well lit and I do not have my SLR here.

    http://oi54.tinypic.com/10efqt3.jpg

    I only received 10 samples I do still have 1 spare to go to NSW and the VIC guys. If you PM me I can get it organised!

    The picture shows enough detail, and with the blue foam too. Awesome.

    I really have to start making my own darts.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  thatwestykid on Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:07 pm

    How much are samples?
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Switchblade on Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:00 am

    thatwestykid wrote:How much are samples?
    Samples are $5.

    So why did we go with black? Surely a brighter colour like red would be easier to see in the grass, and red/blue looks better than black/blue imo.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Mohrlock on Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:30 am

    Firstly, hope all is well on the home front inform3r

    Just wanted to check if one of your sample allocations was still directed my way? No stress if it's not the case, just be nice to have something tangible to present to the guys
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:38 am

    Yep WA sample is aside Email me your details and I'll get it off Remember to show all the other guys there to as I only have one for each state.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  KingCam on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:59 am

    well in that case I will take the sample for Victoria and show it off at owe Nerf wars.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  inf0rm3r on Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:05 am

    No worries cam, can you email me your details and order form, the PETG has just arrived so I can send you that with it.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  KingCam on Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:17 am

    inf0rm3r wrote:No worries cam, can you email me your details and order form, the PETG has just arrived so I can send you that with it.

    All ready done the email you should have the email now.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Mohrlock on Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:42 am

    inf0rm3r wrote:Remember to show all the other guys there to as I only have one for each state.

    Certainly will thanks mate I know at least I'm pretty excited about this, especially when we've just had a war that we'd purchased just shy of 1800 Streamlines for and about 250+ of them went "walkabout"...
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Moonsword on Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:17 am

    Hey Informer,

    Would I be able to grab one of those samples?

    I will PM you my details.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  abowden on Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:07 pm

    How come you went with black, even though the poll said red, and thats a-lot easier to find in the grass, or in the dark.

    Oh and it also looks better.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  littlebro05 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:20 pm

    abowden wrote:How come you went with black, even though the poll said red, and thats a-lot easier to find in the grass, or in the dark.

    Oh and it also looks better.

    Umm.....

    Try finding a 'red nub' in a patch of grass. It doesn't really matter since it'll be attached to blue foam which sticks out of grass like sore thumbs.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Darth Lai on Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:28 pm

    Informer,

    Have you got any of these avalible yet I've PMed you anyway, I am really interested in this.

    Thanks.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Switchblade on Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:32 pm

    littlebro05 wrote:
    abowden wrote:How come you went with black, even though the poll said red, and thats a-lot easier to find in the grass, or in the dark.

    Oh and it also looks better.

    Umm.....

    Try finding a 'red nub' in a patch of grass. It doesn't really matter since it'll be attached to blue foam which sticks out of grass like sore thumbs.
    But red and blue does look sexy, like look at the snap caps for example, they looked GOOD with the red caps.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  phuonguyen on Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:04 pm

    abowden wrote:How come you went with black, even though the poll said red, and thats a-lot easier to find in the grass, or in the dark.

    Oh and it also looks better.
    Well, it might have been that the silicon used doesn't have an option for red, the factory doesn't do red silicon, or those are just samples, the colour might be different to the sample.

    Also read this.

    Darth Lai wrote:Informer,

    Have you got any of these avalible yet I've PMed you anyway, I am really interested in this.

    Thanks.

    They are most likely in production stage to make 25000 pieces.

    Switchblade wrote:
    But red and blue does look sexy, like look at the snap caps for example, they looked GOOD with the red caps.

    I like the black, I like red, but most of all I like the new tips.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Switchblade on Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:19 am

    For those of you who are wondering about the cost per dart of these, read the following:
    I'm working from an order of 200 because that's my order, and it creates a nice even length of foam needed.

    1meter of foam will make approx 14 cuts that are 7cm long.
    Tips: 200@9.1c = $18.20
    Foam: 15m@75c/m = $11.25
    Glue = $4 ( Superglue will be good for these, I can get 5 tubes for $2, so I'm working on 10 tubes (2 packs of 5), just to be safe)
    $18.20
    $11.25
    $ 4.00
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    $33.25 for 200 fully made darts.

    So 33.25/2 = $16.625 = $16.63 per 100 (practically half price compared to what nerf offers)
    To break it down even further:
    $16.63/100 = 16.6cents per dart, ready to use.

    I added the glue just to show the complete cost, it will actually be marginally less that that, because you will have glue left over.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Darth Lai on Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:23 am

    Switchblade wrote:For those of you who are wondering about the cost per dart of these, read the following:
    I'm working from an order of 200 because that's my order, and it creates a nice even length of foam needed.

    1meter of foam will make approx 14 cuts that are 7cm long.
    Tips: 200@9.1c = $18.20
    Foam: 15m@75c/m = $11.25
    Glue = $4 ( Superglue will be good for these, I can get 5 tubes for $2, so I'm working on 10 tubes (2 packs of 5), just to be safe)
    $18.20
    $11.25
    $ 4.00
    -------------------------------------------
    $33.25 for 200 fully made darts.

    So 33.25/2 = $16.625 = $16.63 per 100 (practically half price compared to what nerf offers)
    To break it down even further:
    $16.63/100 = 16.6cents per dart, ready to use.

    I added the glue just to show the complete cost, it will actually be marginally less that that, because you will have glue left over.

    Thanks for that, haha, this is actually quite useful. Can't wait till he starts selling the tips. Then I can finally buy some foam and the some PETG.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Psykka on Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:23 am

    You forgot weights. I cant see these tips being that heavy.


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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  phuonguyen on Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:24 am

    Psykka wrote:You forgot weights. I cant see these tips being that heavy.

    Tips weight in at 1.8g.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Darth Lai on Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:25 am

    Psykka wrote:You forgot weights. I cant see these tips being that heavy.

    I thought that these tips were going to be a complete weight? Maybe I read wrong.. :/

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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Switchblade on Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:00 am

    phuonguyen wrote:
    Psykka wrote:You forgot weights. I cant see these tips being that heavy.

    Tips weight in at 1.8g.
    Exactly, the completed dart will weight approx. twice the weight of the current snap caps, which is plenty heavy for most cases.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Bacara on Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:36 am

    1.8g...
    How does this compare to the hot glue and 00 splitshot weights?
    I would answer my own question, however I lack accurate scales.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  littlebro05 on Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:38 am

    Bacara wrote:1.8g...
    How does this compare to the hot glue and 00 splitshot weights?
    I would answer my own question, however I lack accurate scales.

    Let's just say the dart can fire out of a Longshot with BT V2 with stock barrels EXTREMELY straight with NO FISHTAIL.

    Psykka... If you're getting a sample you'll soon find out that these silicone tips are very good and durable. Not to mention reusable if the foam gets torn :).

    Stingers weight approximately 1.5g and they shoot very straight too.
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    Re: Project Silicone

    Post  Mohrlock on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:35 am

    Oh wow! Got into work this morning with a nice little package sitting at the door

    These tips are beautiful, Inform3r, you've really outdone yourself mate! Can't wait to get around to showing the rest of our W.A. crew (at least a bulk of them) and getting an order together. Even if no one else is interested you'll certainly have me up for at least 500 tips (initially)

    *EDIT: The black is great; I hope you are sticking with it?

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