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    Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

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    Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Raider733 on Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:08 pm

    I just felt there should be a topic with ideas for new N-Strike guns, accessories, etc...

    I'll start this off:
    Accessories: Night vision scope, though unrealistic, would be a great idea for guns like the longshot or recon, or even a REAL laser target. What's with the big red blob on the tactical laser beam?

    Features on guns: A tactical rail on the side of the gun, for attaching the scope so that you don't have to lean over the gun to aim, just have it there, compatible with shoulder stock and everything.

    New guns altogether: one that has 2 barrels, like the barrel break, but with 2 clips that would fit underneath, giving less reload time and a higher dart capacity, though it ma have an impact on the power of the gun.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Psykka on Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:29 pm

    This is why we modify guns and make homemades.

    All of those things can be easily achieved if you make them yourself.

    All I want to see in new release guns is:
    Airtanks with decent capacity and pressure tolerances
    Direct plungers of a halfway decent size.


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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  gooni on Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:42 pm

    Psykka wrote:This is why we modify guns and make homemades.

    All of those things can be easily achieved if you make them yourself.

    All I want to see in new release guns is:
    Airtanks with decent capacity and pressure tolerances
    Direct plungers of a halfway decent size.

    A-men brother.

    Air tanked blasters it's what is needed, and yes more large DP pistols and Larger DP rifles too as I am Still a big Springer fan.

    Take a good look at thePost PICTURES Of Your Guns!- PICTURES ONLY.! and get an idea of what other people have and are doing, you'll be surprised.

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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  mull on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:50 pm

    Being a business, Hasbro (owners of the Nerf brand), are pretty good at what they do.
    Making products for a specific market to churn out money in the most optimal manner possible.
    While doing that, they will try to make their products as safe as possible, so they do not get into trouble when something goes wrong.

    Remember that Nerf toys are aimed at younger, non-adult males; not modders.

    Some ideas just have either accidents bound to happen, written all over the place, or crappy profit potential (What if it costs more to make, but needs to remain afforable? How many people will buy it?), or legal issues, etc.

    - Lasers
    Some jurisdictions have restrictions with access to lasers.
    Kids shining lasers at each others' retinas = no good

    I wouldn't mind beefier air tanks, but I can see why they ain't made that way.
    Too easy to mod into something more dangerous.
    Probably the same reason why Nerf has gone with reverse plungers, to make it more difficult to mod.

    If you have to go all out to make drastic modifications or build a homemade yourself, there's a good chance that you are also mechanically minded and able to foresee any accidents and consequences. It also voids most of the blame on Nerf.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Psykka on Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:25 pm

    Not having real lasers in stock guns is just common sense really.

    Reverse plungers are becoming common now because they are far cheaper to make.

    Hasbro is all about profit margin (and fair enough they are based in a capitalist nation). I heard somewhere it costs less than a dollar to produce a nightfinder. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most guns cost around that to produce.


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    Post  Silent Scope on Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:09 pm

    I'd worry about what Hasbro and the rest are releasing when they publicise it rather than dream about what I desire. This is just a case of a Mirror of Erised moment.

    I find it ironic how, back in the days, air-pressure guns were speculated to be the technology that would put an end to the insanely modified blaster scene (go read Spoon's editorial and others of that era). How wrong could they ever be with the infamous OPRV-plugged mod...


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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Psykka on Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:45 am

    Funny how they thought that. I wonder if the nerf engineers even studied physics...

    Really though all you need is a comfy shell that is wide enough to get a homemade plunger into.


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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  inf0rm3r on Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:38 am

    Psykka wrote:Not having real lasers in stock guns is just common sense really.

    Reverse plungers are becoming common now because they are far cheaper to make.

    Hasbro is all about profit margin (and fair enough they are based in a capitalist nation). I heard somewhere it costs less than a dollar to produce a nightfinder. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most guns cost around that to produce.

    True about the cost of night finders, this also applies to mavericks and other guns around this size.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Beardly on Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:07 am

    Screw n-strike.
    They need to make more animal blasters.
    Still waiting for the Donkey Punch to come out.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Silent Scope on Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:23 am

    No.

    We're not going back to that primitive Max Force era. The way of "tacticool" 1337-looking blasters is the way to go.


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    Post  Psykka on Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:51 am

    Silent Scope wrote:No.

    We're not going back to that primitive Max Force era. The way of "tacticool" 1337-looking blasters is the way to go.

    I agree, personally I really love the modern sci-fi look of the new blasters. Longshots with front gun integrations look like they would be right at home in an aliens movie.


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    Post  mattman280 on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:08 am

    Yeah I agree. They have been comming up with some nice looking guns so far the stampede is a nice example, not to mention the othe new blasters. It's also good that they all have the same design so parts are interchangeable to make even cooler looking blasters.

    But it would be nice if they released more accesories like stand alone new stocks and barrels as much as they arent practical for what we do with them, but would be cool.

    Maybe some new rail accesories to hold clips, or duel female fittings to connect different blasters together.

    Now this is getting a little far out but a century gun Attachment for a Vulcan.
    Foam blasting claymores or mini foam bombs that spray darts, and something to replace that random lanard grenade vortex thingo.

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    Post  Raider733 on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:10 am

    True, the look of the guns and the satisfying clicks and springs going off in the gun is what really appeals to people...
    Just being able to shoot guns that look real at someone else is what got me into nerf... The blue versions look FAR better than the yellow ones, don't ask why but they just do.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Psykka on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:11 am

    You can get foam missile mortars. Nothing to stop us making those things though Matt.


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    Post  neumein on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:28 am

    A proper shotgun-styled blaster would be cool. Ie not the Triple Shot, cause that was crap, maybe something flywheel powered?
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    Post  Psykka on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:53 am

    you do know the ERTL pump action blaster exists right?


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    Post  neumein on Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:06 am

    Yeah, I mean a proper Nerf gun that shoots multiple darts at once. Like the triple shot, only better.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Psykka on Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:12 am

    oh I see. no reason you can't PETG the 3shot drum and beef up the plunger. I've been thinking of doing that myself. If I could get them to go 40ft it might be somewhat useful.


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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  TheTrueMcMuffin on Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:23 pm

    I personally would like to see a bullpup styled gun, though highly impractical as plungers and such take up alot of room.
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    Post  littlebro05 on Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:23 pm

    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:I personally would like to see a bullpup styled gun, though highly impractical as plungers and such take up alot of room.

    Lol they'll probably figure out a way. Just expect it to be another reverse plunger with the stock being like 50cm long LOL.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Saintznerf on Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:01 am

    I would love to see a lever action rifle made by nerf,i have the rapid fire tek its so much fun (however crap the performance is). Also I think selling a double reverse tac rail would be awesome so you could attach any gun to any other gun.
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  littlebro05 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:15 am

    I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
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    Post  TheTrueMcMuffin on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:52 am

    littlebro05 wrote:I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
    A tubular magazine. That would be awesome!
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    Re: Ideas for Future guns (N-strike)

    Post  Chaos-Blades on Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:11 am

    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    littlebro05 wrote:I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
    A tubular magazine. That would be awesome!
    Or a helical magazine like this;


    I'd like to see a bullpup clip-fed blaster (only problem with that is that it'll be reverse plunger )
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    Post  TheTrueMcMuffin on Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:16 am

    Chaos-Blades wrote:
    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    littlebro05 wrote:I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
    A tubular magazine. That would be awesome!
    Or a helical magazine or a bullpup clip-fed blaster (only problem with that is that it'll be reverse plunger)
    A helical magazine would be so expensive. But, it would hold an amazing amount of darts. You'd probably need a specific gun to use them, because a magazine like that would look ridiculous on current N-Strike guns.
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    Post  Chaos-Blades on Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:23 am

    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    Chaos-Blades wrote:
    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    littlebro05 wrote:I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
    A tubular magazine. That would be awesome!
    Or a helical magazine or a bullpup clip-fed blaster (only problem with that is that it'll be reverse plunger)
    A helical magazine would be so expensive. But, it would hold an amazing amount of darts. You'd probably need a specific gun to use them, because a magazine like that would look ridiculous on current N-Strike guns.
    Yeah, it won't happen, I'd like to see that though but I'd much prefer a bullpup nerf gun (like the FAMAS, F2000 steyr AUG etc)
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    Post  TheTrueMcMuffin on Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:28 am

    Chaos-Blades wrote:
    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    Chaos-Blades wrote:
    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:
    littlebro05 wrote:I would actually like to see a Nerf gun that loads darts just like a real shotgun (under the gun).
    A tubular magazine. That would be awesome!
    Or a helical magazine or a bullpup clip-fed blaster (only problem with that is that it'll be reverse plunger)
    A helical magazine would be so expensive. But, it would hold an amazing amount of darts. You'd probably need a specific gun to use them, because a magazine like that would look ridiculous on current N-Strike guns.
    Yeah, it won't happen, I'd like to see that though but I'd much prefer a bullpup nerf gun (like the FAMAS, F2000 steyr AUG etc)
    As much as the Deploy looked like the FAMAS, I was ashamed to note that it wasn't in bullpup layout. Considering it'll probably be reverse plunger, they'll probably be a long stock behind the magazine if it ever happens.
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    Post  Bacara on Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:24 am

    A bullpup design would be possible with a flywheel gun like a 'cade. If you were to position the flywheels behind the trigger, then a clip could be used in the stock.
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    Post  littlebro05 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:08 am

    Yeah and as you can see, Nerf proved to us fly wheel guns aren't as bad as we previously thought it would be. The barricade is easily one of those examples... quiet motor with 30ft ranges. Jerm781 did a sound comparison test and the Barricade was MUCH quieter.
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    Post  TheTrueMcMuffin on Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:10 am

    It wouldn't be so bad if the flywheels only activated on the trigger pull, not via switch.


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    Post  littlebro05 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:14 am

    TheTrueMcMuffin wrote:It woulkdn't be so bad if the flywheels only activated on the trigger pull, not via switch.

    Yeah that would be something Nerf should do. Like on the Steyr Aug, you pull halfway for semi-automatic and full trigger pull for fully automatic. Nerf will probably have to do something that 1/4 will start the motor's spinning.
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    Post  mull on Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:08 am

    The problem with a bullpup configuration is that, there would be practically no space savings on a Nerf gun, because conserving barrel length is not something you would normally want.

    Assuming that slamfire is required (bullpup assault rifle, right?) and given the same plunger dimensions, a stockless conventional Nerf gun would be shorter than a bullpup configuration with the plunger integrated into the stock.
    That's because in the conventional configuration, all the action mechanisms are above the magazine and trigger; whereas the bullpup requires all the action mechanisms behind the trigger. Above the trigger, would just be the barrel, but you still need the pump action component of the same length in front of it, to load the dart in.

    As if you need a stock to engage your opponent for a better hit rate at that those ranges (adding to the fact that streamlines have crap precision beyond a certain distance - accuracy and precision are different things).

    But why should I destroy other people's dreams?


    On a side note, it's not that hard to modify the Barricade to activate the flywheels via the trigger as seen on SG Nerf.
    I have done it myself, and it's much sweeter.
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    Post  Silent Scope on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:24 am

    I'm sure you bright minds can conjure up something that uses a bullpup configuration if you utilise a Kriss-style system.


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    Post  B1gPaulie on Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:29 am

    Just in relation to the barricade trigger motor activation idea. I have done it and it is a great improvement. I can write up a explanation if you'd like however instructions are easy enough to find on the internet anyways. So basically, it is possible just be careful with soldering irons, I found out the hard way...

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