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    Purpose built competitive blasters

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    Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:28 am

    Just wondering what everyone's view is on the future direction of foam blaster sports. I want to know how others feel about the sport growing, and if people want better blasters that they don't have to spend loads of time modding to get any kind of decent ranges from.

    With n-strike "elite" blasters coming out in 6 months or so, and informer's darts being widely used at wars instead of streamlines, it makes me wonder why no-one from the nerfing community has tried to have a "competitive" blaster prototyped or manufactured.

    tl;dr: would you pay a little more money for a blaster that's built for the purpose of being a better option at wars (and for fun, obviously)?
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:57 am

    Definately.

    If I had the time I would design an air powered blaster for the sole purpose of target shooting (not to be used on people of course) and another one for wars.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  mull on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:15 am

    The main problem with this is:
    1. Prototyping and manufacturing requires a significant time, effort and capital investment.
    2. It makes little economic sense, to order the manufacturing of something in low quantities.

    Foam and dart tips are much more feasible to produce and sell, due it being simple items and having a significant turnover.
    I would believe that inf0rmer has many bouts of headaches, getting all these things organised though.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:41 am

    If you had access to the right items it would make it easier.

    A 3D prototype printer would be awesome for this but they aren't very cheap.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Dietzie on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:03 am

    Working on it. No teasers until I am close.


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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Joey on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:27 am

    Isn't the +bow and example of this?


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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  |Shadow| on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:45 am

    Here is a good example of how plastic toys are mass produced.
    Yes I know its L E G O but it the same concept.

    http://www.madman.com.au/videos/view/3047
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:10 am

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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Joey on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:22 am


    Wow man, that printer is a total rip off. If you want a basic one you can get them as cheap as $500 (cheaper if you make it yourself).

    This is the one I ordered http://store.makerbot.com/replicator.html it is a bit more expensive than the one you linked but it has a much larger print bed, duel extruders and plenty more features.

    Mine should arrive in the next 4 weeks so if anyone wants to get stuff printed they should hit me up


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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:14 am

    Joey wrote:Mine should arrive in the next 4 weeks so if anyone wants to get stuff printed they should hit me up

    Maaaaate.

    I haven't really done much in the way of researching prices for one. I want one for making parts and precision darts tips
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Joey on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:40 am

    camo1010 wrote:
    Maaaaate.

    I haven't really done much in the way of researching prices for one. I want one for making parts and precision darts tips

    http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page if you want some really good information at least to get your started.

    I had considered printing out dart heads but I fear that the plastic would prove to be.....quite lethal. That aside I will actually try to print out a couple dart heads and a few vortex discs too for fun.

    Anyways my opinion is that the shell should be built with raw parts. If you are going to use a printer use it to do the internal components.


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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 am

    I wouldn't use the darts for hitting people unless it was that bloke that lets his dog crap in my front yard all the time.

    I want some darts made to be precise so I can use them to sight in the LS. With normal dart making methods, it's almost impossible to get the dimensions exactly the same as another
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:46 am

    wow this thread blew up in under a day...

    what I am considering, is gathering some collective knowledge and designing a blaster specifically for competition, and releasing the design to anyone who wants to work on it or make it a reality. I certainly don't have the capital right now, but I do have some contacts for rapid prototyping, but they'd still be costly.

    here's what I'm thinking, and anyone with input is encouraged to do so:
    1: the blaster must have compatibility, both in the respect that it accepts Nerf clips and darts, and in the respect that certain parts are compatible with future models (perhaps a set of internals that you just drop in to whatever shell and tighten up?)

    2: need to find knowledge of legal stuff. e.g:how powerful can it be before it's classed as illegal/ a firearm etc.

    3: need to find out design limitations, and best/cheapest ways to construct parts (injection molding, 3D printing, CNC etc...)

    4: must be built STRONG. that's the key here. we've all seen the limitations of "toy" blasters, we need to exceed that to progress.

    Carry on.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:58 am

    Maybe design the known failure spots to have insertion points for steel reenforcement.

    It would be awesome to make it out of alloy.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:11 am

    I was thinking that, 7075-T6 alloy is extremely strong for alloy. I think plunger, breech, bolt and anything under any decent load in a competitive blaster should be over-built to ensure it will never break. the problem with OMW kits is that they have to make them fit in Nerf blasters. if you're designing a blaster from scratch, however, you can make things in your own format, make things thicker etc..
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:53 am

    The possibilities could be endless.

    It would be easiest to have the internals the same and have the shell inter changeable. That way the technical bit is done
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:56 am

    perhaps the way to start would be to set up design parameters and save it as a CAD file that is used for every shell design.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:03 pm

    That could work.

    If you get a proto typer, people could just design one they want, then draw it in CAD and have it suit the generic internals.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:06 pm

    kind of like and open source code...
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  mister_elliott on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:19 pm

    A competition blaster would be basically what I'm building and others have built. Nerf shells are one of the most durable parts and have loads of room for reinforcement or even cheap replacement, so they don't really need to be messed with. Throw in some homemade internals (small high pressure tank and two solenoids will fit in most longarm style nerf blaster shells) allowing airgun ranges with comparatively high ROF using a compressor, massive reserve tank or both.

    Just gotta look up PCP air rifles, homemade airsoft and paintball markers for inspiration.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  WH1PLA5H on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:35 pm

    If you are looking for a basic build design, then making it a modular design, something like a recon would be a good start, it can be used for as a short weapon or with multiple attachments, ie a longer barrel, rear stock etc - but obviously doing it properlly so that the extra muzzle isnt taking half the power and crap and ruining the gun just for some looks for attachment options.

    Its a great idea, something to seriously consider if there are some financial backing and prototyping available.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:53 pm

    We could design the ultimate blaster..... And sell the plans to hasbro
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  TylerMaxwell on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:02 pm

    camo1010 wrote:We could design the ultimate blaster..... And sell the plans to hasbro


    Then after you show them the design they'll produce it with air restrictors and locks to boot.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  clunk07 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:03 pm

    Yep, sounds like a good plan.

    Just don't be disappointed when it comes to the legal side of it. When inf0rm3r first started testing his chrony, I'm fairly certain he discovered that just about every modded blaster had a higher fps than what is legal (I'm assuming for Qld, but this may be national too).

    Virtually any of the big air blaster's would be illegal with fps, as would the main springer's (TS/Octo, BBLS etc).

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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:13 pm

    Just install some ARs in them for legal reasons that just fall apart and fall out after a few rounds.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Eclipse on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:23 pm

    Or how about AR's that are ultra easy to remove and have awesome RANGE INHIBITING POWER!
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:31 pm

    *Clicks like button*

    We could design a clip fed Titan. That uses full size rockets...

    That would be epic
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  ChrisPChips on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:52 pm

    I remember seeing designs on the OMW fb page for a clip-fed gun that shot those pocket vortex howlers, looked pretty cool.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:56 pm

    That would be awesome. It would be like an RPG
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  mister_elliott on Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:10 pm

    I gotta say though I'm only a few weekends away from putting together $80ish repeatabing air blaster kits for people to rehome in CS blaster shells. Just saiyan.

    Is that purpose built enough?
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:12 am

    Would an over-sized plunger system be practical? (making a plunger system the same as the LS only bigger to increase internal air volume)

    We all know that more air=more power.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  Swatsonia on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:00 am

    *cough*HOMEMADES*cough*

    Seriously, since these things are primarily aimed at 10 year olds, the companies cannot do something like this.
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:31 am

    There should be a legalised adult version
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    Post  mister_elliott on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:20 am

    Swatsonia wrote:*cough*HOMEMADES*cough*

    Seriously, since these things are primarily aimed at 10 year olds, the companies cannot do something like this.

    Yeah pretty much.

    I don't think homemade springers will have much of a future after this weekend, which is great since air systems are easier to fit anywhere..
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    Re: Purpose built competitive blasters

    Post  camo1010 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:53 am

    I want to get an air power blaster... but I'm too lazy. That and I'm loving the LS

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