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    Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

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    Whitt

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    Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Whitt on Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:30 pm

    Does anyone have any experience with both of them?
    I'm looking to swap out the reverse plunger in my long strike.
    Has anyone else done this personally?
    Just want to know if one is better than the other when it comes to providing more power for internal replacements.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:48 am

    Hey Whitt, I have never tried anything like that. If you are going to get Retaliator internals to put into the Longstrike, why don't you just mod and use the Retaliator? It would be a lot easier, and replacement springs are risky in a Longstrike because of the bolt action. As to NF vs Retaliator plungers, I'm not really sure which is better, but the NF plunger is definitely larger so that might be a factor if you want to go through with the Longstrike plunger replacement.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Whitt on Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:43 am

    Sanchez wrote:Hey Whitt, I have never tried anything like that. If you are going to get Retaliator internals to put into the Longstrike, why don't you just mod and use the Retaliator? It would be a lot easier, and replacement springs are risky in a Longstrike because of the bolt action. As to NF vs Retaliator plungers, I'm not really sure which is better, but the NF plunger is definitely larger so that might be a factor if you want to go through with the Longstrike plunger replacement.
    Yeah, I, like many other Nerfers have got a stupid obsession with trying to make the Longstrike an actual long range weapon.
    It does just look so goddamn cool.
    and I managed to pick one up in the White Out colour scheme too which will, you know... keep me concealed when I'm in a Nerf war in the Swiss Alps..

    I've seen mod guides for internal replacements on both the NF and Retaliator, though because the Retaliator is still so new there only seems to be one write up and it's not officially sanctioned by the Nerf Haven mod directory list yet.

    But due to the Retaliator being a lot closer to the LK than the NF is, I thought that might be the way to go.

    I only get one shot at making the White LongStrike super bad ass.
    But fortunately I've got 4 regular LK's to practice on
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:31 pm

    I agree that the Retaliator is closer, but I don't think putting the NF plunger will be all that much harder seeing you will have to do a fair bit of slicing and dicing to make it fit anyway. The NF is also a lot cheaper if you don't have one already. You could even C-836 it if you can build an indestructo-boltsled. And we all know there is no sniping in Nerf.

    If you wanted to make a real "long range" blaster in a Longstrike shell, I think putting a BBUMB with a clip accepting breech into it would be the best way to go. There are a few on eBay for around $30.

    This write-up looks pretty good: http://oznerf.forumotion.com/t3901-nerf-ultimatestrike-longstrike-bbumb-intergration

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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Whitt on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:18 pm

    Man, I almost got a steal on a Titan today from a lady selling a collection but without knowing their values.
    Some other Nerfer beat me to it though

    Bbumb might be something, I'll check it out.
    I really want to be able to keep the clip loading.

    If I go spring, I've had great success using surplus industrial grease gun springs in my long shot
    Reinforcing the bolt sled with coat hanger wire.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:18 am

    To be honest, I would say a BBUMB is better than a Titan for internal replacements, the tank is smaller so it fits a lot easier. It also doesn't need as many pumps to fill (~5vs~30). And there are a few tutorials for clip accepting breeches around here and maybe Nerf Haven. And if you are going to go the spring path, the NF could easily be spring replaced, but reinforcing the Longstrike is another thing....



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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  stoph on Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:51 am

    This is a drop in direct plunger kit for the Longstrike. Well worth checking out. http://www.xplorersg.com/Xpower_for_longstrike_SNIPER_kit/p1477121_8552005.aspx
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:02 am

    I guess if you are dead set on a Longstrike, I would suggest a OMW Longstrike Massacre kit for $40 shipped. I have seen a few negative reviews on that Xplorer stuff too, and for $40 a Masaccre kit will do pretty well, even though you might have to re-reinforce the bolt sled to keep it one hand primeable.

    OMW Kit: http://www.orangemodworks.com/category_s/1831.htm

    Mini-rant over


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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  stoph on Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:05 am

    Yes, that's another option certainly. That said I've heard a lot of bad reports on build quality and durability on OMW products. Xplorer are pricey but great build quality.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Jeo on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:15 am

    A simple spring based kit will bring you some improvements, a bigger plunger transplant will bring more, an air tank conversion will bring more.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:24 am

    Well said Jeo. I think that the air conversion is the best way to go, its probably the cheapest, slightly easier than a whole plunger transplant, and definitely the most effective range-wise. If you connect the bolt sled to a sliding, clip accepting breech, you might actually get close to a "sniper".
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:26 pm

    Haha, very well played. That looks pretty impressive but I think a BBUMB would require less shell carnage. Still pretty cool!
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Whitt on Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:27 pm

    Quick questions about BBUMBs
    I found 2 for sale in a pawn shop for $15 each with an attached rapid fire (?)
    Is that a good price?
    Also I tried to pump them but they both didn't seem to build up a charge. Is that normal or are they broken? And if so, is there a common break that happens? And is it easily fixable?
    I'm quite excited to have found some BBUMBs for sale IRL
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  stoph on Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:08 pm

    I seem to recall them selling for $20 NIB with two other blasters that attached to the BBUMB. I would perhaps speak with the pawn shop owner, see if you can do a package deal and talk him down on price, stating the "obvious" that they're likely not functional, used and incomplete (I'm assuming it's  missing the light up missiles?), and that the only person who's gonna buy them is someone who's experienced in pulling apart blasters and using them for their guts. Worth a shot.

    That being said, a few SA guys have gone and built what's called a MotarStrike. I seem to recall it being quite well suited to fitting in the LSK's shell with minimal cutting (provided you do it right) and packs a hell of a punch. Seem to recall it hitting the 130ft mark with heavies. Stand in front of it and have them dryfire, its like getting punched by an invisible fist of air. Build thread is here - http://australiannerf.com/forum/index.php?topic=919.msg7986#msg7986

    Be warned: Mortarstrikes may or may not be war legal at this point (can't recall latest consensus), but if limited to outdoor epeen, you should be okay.
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    Re: Nite Finder vs Retaliator plungers? which is better for reverse plunger replacement?

    Post  Sanchez on Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:50 pm

    Hey, I think $15 is alright, as Stoph said maybe try to push for a package deal and play the "broken" card. How many pumps are they getting? A normal BBUMB OPRV kicks in at 4-6 pumps, so if it depressurises after that its normal. I've never used an Ultimate Rapid Blast, but I hear they are junk. I think that it should be easy to fix if it does have a leak (E-tape, hot glue and epoxy putty can fix anything), and you might want to pump replace anyway so that solves a broken pump.

    This might help with the BBUMB http://oznerf.forumotion.com/t3199-bbumb-internals

    From the sounds of it, a MotarStrike sound a bit like a Titan, so I guess you would not be allowed to plug it, or maybe they are banned all together.


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