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    Post  TheBradl3s Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:28 pm

    You Lyke?

    A much cleaner and overall better version of the other one I made.
    It currently has a S26 spring in it, but will soon have an Aussie version of a k26.

    Vid will come soon.

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    Post  matt.chopper Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:28 pm

    EPIC...
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    Post  neumein Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:33 pm

    Pfft. I can throw darts further than that thing.
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    Post  Dietzie Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:35 pm

    That is dead sexy. What sort of range is it getting?


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    Post  TheBradl3s Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:36 pm

    Haven't measured, but I'm guessing 110-120ft. Will be better when I put a stronger spring in it.

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    Post  littlebro05 Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:40 pm

    TheBradl3s wrote:Haven't measured, but I'm guessing 110-120ft. Will be better when I put a stronger spring in it.

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    I'm pretty sure you're talking bull shit. I'm pretty sure you meant 2000000ft. Nah joking with a plunger size like that I reckon it'll hit 150ft ranges.
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    Post  Darth Lai Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:01 pm

    Epic, nuff said.
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    Post  Mohrlock Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:34 am

    TheBradl3s wrote:I may be selling one of these soon.

    Be interested to hear what sort of price gets attached to this. Are you looking at semi-production for them or just a one off sale?
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    Post  TheBradl3s Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:41 am

    Mohrlock wrote:
    TheBradl3s wrote:I may be selling one of these soon.

    Be interested to hear what sort of price gets attached to this. Are you looking at semi-production for them or just a one off sale?

    Well, I still need to get some springs manufactured, and I plan on making a number of these.

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    Post  Mohrlock Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:20 am

    TheBradl3s wrote:
    Well, I still need to get some springs manufactured, and I plan on making a number of these.

    - Brad

    Sounds great; I'll assume updates will be within this thread so I'll keep an eye on it. Gotta say yours is one of the most impressive homemades I've laid eyes on. My hat off to you, sir.
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    Post  mull Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:55 pm

    What are the specs of the springs used?
    I'm still researching on the commercially available springs that I'd like to use on my homemade, that's more or less optimised for me.

    "x" kg spring is rather not useful for me, as I'm more concerned about the technical specs like free & solid lengths, and force-displacement rate.

    Case in point:
    - a 15kg spring @ 10cm to full compression, and
    - a 15kg spring @ 20cm to full compression
    will behave a tad differently upon usage.
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    Post  TheBradl3s Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:20 pm

    mull wrote:What are the specs of the springs used?
    I'm still researching on the commercially available springs that I'd like to use on my homemade, that's more or less optimised for me.

    "x" kg spring is rather not useful for me, as I'm more concerned about the technical specs like free & solid lengths, and force-displacement rate.

    Case in point:
    - a 15kg spring @ 10cm to full compression, and
    - a 15kg spring @ 20cm to full compression
    will behave a tad differently upon usage.

    I don't have any idea about the specs of the spring that is currently in there, but as I'm getting some made of a spring I have have already, I'll get the details about it then.

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    Post  Mozart Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:47 am

    Awesome! Props on the build. I'd say it's definitely worth selling them, I'd buy one.
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    Post  NachoTaco Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:56 am

    Wow this is amazing!
    Well done.
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    Post  oxymoron Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:11 am

    I'd probably buy one too, depending on its ability to cause pain


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    Post  longstrikeguy Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:01 am

    I will also buy one, once their available.
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    Post  -mirsho Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:06 am

    Would this beast ausbow be legal ? Not that I have anything against it, it's just out of curiosity.
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    Post  Mozart Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:22 am

    No way, man, nothing's legal in Australia. I reckon my Longshot would be illegal, let alone Clunk's which hits over 150'. What about singled Titans and Big Blasts? I highly doubt any of those would be legal. This starting off as actual raw materials and being built up, I'd say even more likely to be illegal. Although, nerf guns do say on the side 'do not modify darts or dart blaster'. Either way, I'd say it's all either illegal, or a serious 'grey area' for sure. As in don't go shooting a cop with it because it's 'only a nerf gun' lol. Then we'll all be up the creek.
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    Post  inf0rm3r Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:52 am

    He has technically made his own firing mechanism there, so who knows where this one is legally
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    Post  clunk07 Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:07 pm

    My guess would be the grey area. It doesn't use a propellant, nor compressed air/co2, and obviously no 'powder.

    Just rock up to the cop shop with one, and see what happens!!
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    Post  Mozart Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:13 pm

    Hahaa, exactly my point! I reckon they'll all be illegal if people start misusing them, though. Like, if some moron decided to get a Titan with some tipped darts and go cap a bunch of birds or something.
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    Post  mull Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:48 pm

    clunk07 wrote:My guess would be the grey area. It doesn't use a propellant, nor compressed air/co2, and obviously no 'powder.

    Just rock up to the cop shop with one, and see what happens!!
    However, I think there's a separate clause somewhere about either the muzzle velocity or kinetic energy of the launched projectile. That's just me guessing, as I haven't bothered reading through the firearms act.
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    Post  inf0rm3r Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:55 pm

    mull wrote:
    clunk07 wrote:My guess would be the grey area. It doesn't use a propellant, nor compressed air/co2, and obviously no 'powder.

    Just rock up to the cop shop with one, and see what happens!!
    However, I think there's a separate clause somewhere about either the muzzle velocity or kinetic energy of the launched projectile. That's just me guessing, as I haven't bothered reading through the firearms act.

    I believe in QLD it is 180FPS, slingshots are legal in this state and I believe they shoot pretty damn freaking hard.
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    Post  238232 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:21 pm

    Having gone through the NSW Firearms Act 1996, there's nothing at all regarding muzzle velocity or the means of propellant that I could see (and if someone does find a section, I'd like to know).

    Look up how a spring-piston air rifle works. Same principle as any and all of the springers we use. Just that we have a much larger and lighter projectile.


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    Post  Mozart Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:22 pm

    Where could I find this, about the muzzle velocity? I can't find any laws or anything. I honestly have no idea where to look, it's all about bb guns and airsoft, if I put in nerf or foam dart, there's just a bunch of shit about nerf guns.
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    Post  clunk07 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:23 pm

    inf0rm3r wrote:
    mull wrote:
    clunk07 wrote:My guess would be the grey area. It doesn't use a propellant, nor compressed air/co2, and obviously no 'powder.

    Just rock up to the cop shop with one, and see what happens!!
    However, I think there's a separate clause somewhere about either the muzzle velocity or kinetic energy of the launched projectile. That's just me guessing, as I haven't bothered reading through the firearms act.

    I believe in QLD it is 180FPS, slingshots are legal in this state and I believe they shoot pretty damn freaking hard.

    Not that I don't believe you in regards to the slingshot, but this is my personal experience - my mate had his confiscated last week. There was an identity mix-up, and the police searched his vehicle. Took his slingshot from out of the glove box - but didn't stress about the 3 x hunting knives behind the seat...


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    Post  238232 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:25 pm

    Mozart wrote:Where could I find this, about the muzzle velocity? I can't find any laws or anything. I honestly have no idea where to look, it's all about bb guns and airsoft, if I put in nerf or foam dart, there's just a bunch of shit about nerf guns.

    Best place I can recommend for digging through legislation and all is:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/

    If it's covered by any law, it'll be in the firearms act for your state.
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    Post  clunk07 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:26 pm

    238232 wrote:Having gone through the NSW Firearms Act 1996, there's nothing at all regarding muzzle velocity or the means of propellant that I could see (and if someone does find a section, I'd like to know).

    Look up how a spring-piston air rifle works. Same principle as any and all of the springers we use. Just that we have a much larger and lighter projectile.

    I think the ruling on air rifles is something do to with them having recognised calibres - but don't quote me on this. As for propellant - think spud guns/marble cannon's and paintball marker's. Although I'm not sure on the ruling for spud guns/marble cannon's - definite grey area if nothing else.

    Also, you'd need to check more than the firearms act - the whole weapon's act would be more accurate.
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    Post  phuonguyen Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:31 pm

    inf0rm3r wrote:I believe in QLD it is 180FPS, slingshots are legal in this state and I believe they shoot pretty damn freaking hard.
    TBH, airsoft guns are completely legal in QLD. Only downside is the fact that you need a firearms license to import and purchase.
    238232 wrote:Having gone through the NSW Firearms Act 1996, there's nothing at all regarding muzzle velocity or the means of propellant that I could see (and if someone does find a section, I'd like to know).

    Look up how a spring-piston air rifle works. Same principle as any and all of the springers we use. Just that we have a much larger and lighter projectile.
    In QLD legislation, there's a dictionary for the legislation before the actual laws (which all bills should have), within this section, it describes that a firearm is something that propels something using gas or springs.
    Mozart wrote:Where could I find this, about the muzzle velocity? I can't find any laws or anything. I honestly have no idea where to look, it's all about bb guns and airsoft, if I put in nerf or foam dart, there's just a bunch of shit about nerf guns.
    180fps is a requirement for SA legislation.
    clunk07 wrote:Not that I don't believe you in regards to the slingshot, but this is my personal experience - my mate had his confiscated last week. There was an identity mix-up, and the police searched his vehicle. Took his slingshot from out of the glove box - but didn't stress about the 3 x hunting knives behind the seat...
    Knives have to be shorter than 18cm to be considered 'illegal', not including paring knives, legit hunting/diving etc.


    On Topic - I may buy one, just to be in the KOOL KIDZ club. Very nice, loving the 100% compression.
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    Post  Mozart Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:33 pm

    I'm curious enough to follow it up next time I'm at a computer.

    Also, this is getting waaay off topic of the +bow.. Should wrap it up here, guys.
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    Post  clunk07 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:41 pm

    phuonguyen wrote:
    clunk07 wrote:Not that I don't believe you in regards to the slingshot, but this is my personal experience - my mate had his confiscated last week. There was an identity mix-up, and the police searched his vehicle. Took his slingshot from out of the glove box - but didn't stress about the 3 x hunting knives behind the seat...
    Knives have to be shorter than 18cm to be considered 'illegal', not including paring knives, legit hunting/diving etc.


    Yeh, I was aware of the size ruling on certain style of knives. 2 of the 3 in question were above legal length, but had defence points and knuckle guards - which are generally not highly-regarded amongst the QPS. Luckily enough, we live in the bush, so there's a fair bit of leniency shown towards minor dismeanor's
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    Post  238232 Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:48 pm

    clunk07 wrote:As for propellant - think spud guns/marble cannon's and paintball marker's. Although I'm not sure on the ruling for spud guns/marble cannon's - definite grey area if nothing else.

    Also, you'd need to check more than the firearms act - the whole weapon's act would be more accurate.

    My apologies, wrong terminology there. The weapons act has nothing in there, I flipped through it even though I've memorised most of Sch 1 (don't ask). I did see a nice bit in the Firearms Regulation 2006 regarding paintball markers though. That said...

    phuonguyen wrote:
    In QLD legislation, there's a dictionary for the legislation before the actual laws (which all bills should have), within this section, it describes that a firearm is something that propels something using gas or springs.

    Just did that. For NSW, the relevant bit is:
    "air gun" means a gun that:

    (a) can propel, or is designed to propel, a projectile:

    (i) by means of any gas or mixture of gases, including air but not including a gas or mixture of gases generated by an explosive, or

    (ii) by means of a spring, and

    (b) is operated or designed for operation by means of a trigger or similar device.

    No mention of muzzle velocity, and looking at that definition, note how vague it is.

    The only thing I could find even tangentially connected to nerf was an exemption for imitation firearms that were manufactured and marketed as children's toys. This coupled with the vagueness of the air gun definition probably doesn't bode well for any style of home-made.
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    Post  Mozart Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:28 pm

    So, anything home made is an air gun and therefore requires a licence? Where as a Titan that will blow holes in all sorts of stuff is legal, or is there something about modifying them? Seriously, isn't this off topic? Maybe a new thread is in order?
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    Post  mull Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:55 pm

    Mozart wrote:So, anything home made is an air gun and therefore requires a licence? Where as a Titan that will blow holes in all sorts of stuff is legal, or is there something about modifying them? Seriously, isn't this off topic? Maybe a new thread is in order?
    I would say that it sways towards the darker shade of black. A decade ago, I made a spud gun for my high school science project. It was so heavily modular, that it could be disassembled and thown into my school bag, yet each part was pretty innocent.

    Anyways, I brought it up to the cop shop in Melbourne CBD (used to commute to school via train, so it was a convenient drop off point), and reconstructed it at the front desk while I enquired about the legal status, along with my science report.
    The cops were stumped as the firearms laws were vague in the field of homemades at that time (non-concealable, launches unconventional projectiles, educational purposes, etc.).
    They kept it overnight to take the matter with a more senior officer.
    I came back the next day and they told me to take it away but never leave it reconstructed again or leave it for disposal, in case it gets misused and they'll have headaches dealing with the paperwork and revising the law books.

    ie. it was just a bunch of threaded PVC tubes and a valve.
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    Post  238232 Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:03 pm

    Mozart wrote:So, anything home made is an air gun and therefore requires a licence? Where as a Titan that will blow holes in all sorts of stuff is legal, or is there something about modifying them? Seriously, isn't this off topic? Maybe a new thread is in order?

    To tack on to what mull said, technically yes. The exemption I mentioned earlier for children's toys and so on makes them legal in their original state as sold by the manufacturer, and in its stock state a Titan with its mega missile isn't going to blow holes in anything. Also note the warnings on all the blasters to not modify them or the darts, I'm pretty sure that's there for legal reasons.

    Practically, the laws are made vague so that a lot of this can be at the officer/court's discretion. If an officer wants to confiscate my Alpha Trooper that I've modded to shoot... say... 50 feet, I'd say that's very unusual and I was probably doing something stupid with it.

    But if I plug my Titan and put on a barrel so it can shoot 1/4" BBs, I'm pretty sure it'll do a hell of a lot more damage than the 0.177 cal air pistols I've plinked around with, which are lumped all under handguns, and requiring a Cat H license/permit. In that state, I fully expect it to be classified as an air rifle and for me to be charged with who knows how much stuff under the Firearms Act. Possession and manufacture of illegal firearms and probably other things.

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