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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:41 am

    I have contacted a manufacturer willing to custom produce nerf blasters, but I will need a lot of interest for my plans to go ahead.
    in case you didn't guess from te title, the first port of call is the crossbow (everyone loves a crossbow)
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    Spread the word, every nerfer needs to know about this!
    EDIT:
    cost has been updated to about 2.50 per unit.
    Edit: Project has been cancelled.


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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:50 am

    It's worth a shot, I'm interested.

    It'd be great to see improved internals as well, like those being sold over at NH.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:54 am

    So not exactly the same., but don't forget, it has to be imported, so it needs ar's.
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    Post  Silent Scope Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:15 am

    We need more details.

    I've got stock crossbow that I could start drafting on CATIA to hand the plans to a plastic prototyper. We don't know what your plans are.


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    Give back to your fellow member and buy his wares. All profits stay in Australia, tune up my VR SS V8, and more.
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    Post  melbnerf619 Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:18 am

    *like and *interested
    (but you need to emphasise on what you are doing)
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:19 am

    my plans are simple, to get a the toy company I am in contact with to manufacture crossbows, and thank you SS, that would help me loads.
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    Post  Silent Scope Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:27 am

    And where do you suggest they will get the measurements? The plans? The MOQ costs before a tender is issued? Bringing them into Australian with postage? I think there needs to be more afterthought into this initiative before you give us a "my plans are simple" explanation.


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    Don't worry, I've compiled a list so far of us VIC crew here, yo.

    Also, can you people start putting titles in PMs? I can't be bothered trying to figure out what the subject and context is within a PM.

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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:35 am

    They custom design nerf guns, I am sure they will manage. (though if you do what you said earlier that would be wonderful)
    yeah probably should have put more thought into that.


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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:38 am

    What about copyright on the Crossbow design? Hasbro might not like you reproducing their products.

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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:43 am

    I considered that, but they no longer produce it.
    Also, there are LOADS of copies of night finders and mavericks out there.
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    Post  melbnerf619 Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:48 am

    abowden wrote:I considered that, but they no longer produce it.
    Also, there are LOADS of copies of night finders and mavericks out there.
    Very good point.
    Any numbers you know about? As in how long it would take, How accurate, price, how much interest you need?
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:51 am

    I do know it may cost about 1-4 dollars a unit, there are mould costs e.t.c. , also minimum order quantity is 3000 units
    I will have to launch a kick starter campaign to get this thing off the ground, and sell units to local stores.
    please don't be put off the minimum order quantity.
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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:00 am

    $1-4 per unit?

    So you're actually going to sell these to stores? Are you going to start your own brand?

    Sorry but I don't see this happening, although if you do, I'm definitely interested in a couple.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:07 am

    you would be suprised how willing they would be to buy them at a really low price, and I am chatting to the manufacturer via email right now.
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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:09 am

    So they're really only going to be a few bucks?

    Also, if you need help advertising later on, send me a PM.
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    Post  Luke Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:10 am

    Same I have lots of people I can advertise to.
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    Post  mister_elliott Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:12 am

    Are you going to flog them as shooting arrows, or shooting darts from a 2" badly fitting barrel?
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:15 am

    lovely to see how helpful the comunity is here
    advertising will not be necessary yet, in case it falls through.
    though when I start the kick starter campaign, I would love you to tell everyone you know.
    also there is not much I can do until I either have a crossbow, or a detailed schematic of some kind.
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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:18 am

    I'm sure many of the well know modders would be happy to help you advertise as well. Who doesn't want a crossbow?

    But seriously, how much will they cost? I just don't believe they'll only be a couple of bucks.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:21 am

    well, I can tell you that they were selling a gun of similar sise and moulding use for a buck US
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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:26 am



    If you can pull this off I'll take a bucket of 'em.
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    Post  mister_elliott Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:28 am

    $1 sounds fine from a manufacturer. By the time it makes it to retail that'll look alot more like $30-$whatever they think people will pay.

    Plastic is pretty much almost worthless. There's a reason we make absolutely everything out of it.
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    Post  RL Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:35 am

    I love the idea, but the realities of it at the moment seem shady.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:38 am

    They want a sample, anyone willing to send them one?
    You will get it back.
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    Post  Echoes Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:54 am

    I don't think anyone wants to send them a sample
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    Post  Unknown Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:56 am

    Is a sample absolutely necessary?

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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:58 am

    yes, it is needed, but remember, he who send sample will get it back, plus maybe a few extra
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    Post  littlebro05 Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:04 am

    Yeah I dunno about you guys, but this sounds extremely suspiscious. I'll just stick with stuff I have..
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:08 am

    update: cost, from the pictures I sent has been projected as 2.50 per unit, the shipping will knock it up a bit though.
    @littlebro: I really hope your not suggesting what I think your suggesting.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:20 am

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    Post  littlebro05 Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:35 am

    Talking more about your overseas supplier. Not yourself.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:38 am

    good , but I just proved them legit.
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    Post  melbnerf619 Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:02 pm

    I'm willing to buy a bucket load for that price and help get these started. Also, you can sell them to the US modders for heaps, expensive ($40+) and in bulk. They will pay.
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    Post  abowden Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:05 pm

    thanks, I am going to start a kickstarter campaign, you can 'pledge' a certain amount of money, you will get a reward (a crossbow)
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    Post  inf0rm3r Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:06 pm

    Those AV Checks mean nothing and are easy to obtain.

    Proving a Chinese/Taiwanese/Indonesian/Indian supplier legit is not as easy as it seems.

    I do close to 40 checks and about 10 phone calls myself before I even sample off a company to produce goods. Reason being is 90% of these factories are con jobs and produce illegal goods and their business practices aren't even legit. Those knockoffs you see on Alibaba, if you import them and you get caught you will receive one whopping fine. In Fact sadly 60%+ of what you see on Alibaba is usually a scam or second rate product. Even after those checks I've recommended to people I've heard of people still being conned out of money even from AV checked suppliers. Alibaba is simply an ebay system for bulk buying, except in Alibaba more than half the listings are frauds. I personally avoid it and talk to actual people and factories myself.

    You simply cannot reproduce a crossbow, Hasbro will have you and everything you own in court the next day.

    Molds are also expensive especially plastic molds, silicone not so much, but for a plastic mold from a GOOD chinese supplier it will still cost you roughly $1000-$10,000 each you can't just mold the shell in one hit either it's not that simple. A salesperson will always under quote their MOQ's etc I can guarantee you 3,000 is not even half of what you'll need to order to keep the unit price down.

    Put it this way to make a plastic cap like a snap cap, just the mold for that $1,500 in that plastic.

    Also you have to take into account, shipping, customs and the laws here, generally a unit cost can double even triple with the joke of a tax system we have in place here.

    The plastic must reach a VERY strict standard to get into the country, also a new product shipped across must undergo a lab test to see if the levels meet the correct standards. Some of this costs 10,000-20,000 depending on the product. This is VERY strict on toys in particular.

    There are thousands of things and costs you don't see from just a quick look, and some of them if you aren't careful involve heavy fines.

    Be Very VERY VERY Careful, take it from someone who's done a lot of research and importing, mistakes can you land you in a big pile of shite.

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