Sonic NF internals not the same.

As the title said, Today I found out that the internals from a Sonic NF are not the same as a normal NF.

The first think I noticed was the difference between the springs.


The Sonic spring compresses to a smaller size than the normal NF spring, and seems a slight lil bit stronger.

The next thing was the plunger rod.


As you can see, there are some extra bits on the end of the rod. Also the shaft is solid apart from the grooves along the side.

The plunger tube is not fully glued, making AR removal a piece of cake.


So there you have it, something a bit different. Once I have finished with it there will be a write-up this time.

Merry Christmas all, and good modding.

Gooni.

Wow, how convinent. Must get one!

I noticed this too, the gun has really good oomph right out of the box in comparison to other NF's.

inf0rm3r wrote:I noticed this two, the gun has really good oomph right out of the box in comparison to other NF's.

two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Early morning, give me a break. I've been awake for a grand total 45 minutes....

You really want to talk to me about rules and Grammar. I think I've contributed one hundred fold to you so take a brake. Yes I chose to spell it like that to deliberately annoy you.

I've also been here far longer before most of these rules came into play so just quietly I think I know the rules....

I've got a stock Yellow NF so I may just pull out the tape measure sometime tomorrow just to see if there's any real difference.

Yeah i agree with informer, why do you have to flame everyone?

nelz0r wrote:
two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Backseat moderating has to stop. Moderators NEED to start enforcing this rule.

On topic, I would love too see how it compares to a standard nightfinder modded. Its odd for nerf to make it, what appears to be, easier to mod and more powerful.

acerised wrote:Yeah i agree with informer, why do you have to flame everyone?

Trolls, it's their specialty.

I've tried comparing the two across my hallway but there isn't enough room to properly test it. After 2-3 shots the Sonic does appear to travel faster than the stock yellow.

nelz0r wrote:

inf0rm3r wrote:I noticed this two, the gun has really good oomph right out of the box in comparison to other NF's.

two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Obvious Troll and not to mention a FAIL.

Anyway I was thinking of getting a sonic NF. How much stronger is the spring would you say compared to a stock yellow one?

anyway.

- Brad

Just showing you guys how ridiculous the rules are. Some of them are fair, such as the double posting rules and what not, but when mods get all power hungry and ban someone for a week because they accidentally misspell a word? Thats just crazy talk.


Also,

acerised wrote:Yeah i agree with informer, why do you have to flame everyone?

One, I didn't "flame" him, there were no derogatory insults and two...

HOLY SHIT! SOMEONE GO CALL WEBSTERS! THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF EVERYONE TO MEAN ONE PERSON!




Thats a flame.

nelz0r wrote:Just showing you guys how ridiculous the rules are. Some of them are fair, such as the double posting rules and what not, but when mods get all power hungry and ban someone for a week because they accidentally misspell a word? Thats just crazy talk.


Also,

acerised wrote:Yeah i agree with informer, why do you have to flame everyone?

One, I didn't "flame" him, there were no derogatory insults and two...

HOLY SHIT! SOMEONE GO CALL WEBSTERS! THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF EVERYONE TO MEAN ONE PERSON!



Thats a flame.

You still have contributed nothing to the topic. If you want to talk about that go make a new topic. You will find in this forum if you contribute things continually everyone gets along and if someone makes a typo or misspells something it's no big deal. The ones being banned are constant annoyances and continual offenders and most of the time trolling hence they deserve it.

Now unless your planning on actually adding to this topic go somewhere else if you've got a problem with how the place is run PM the administration and talk to them. Why are you here telling us when none of us are in charge.

Joey wrote:

nelz0r wrote:
two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Backseat moderating has to stop. Moderators NEED to start enforcing this rule.

It's pretty hard to moderate when you're asleep... plus I've got better things to do than to moderate OzNerf on Christmas. If I'm 'online' it's usually just my computer having the site open on the site, and me watching TV ducking in and out, or I'm in chatbox. I've found that I've been a bit more lenient, after all it IS Christmas. I don't mind if some members backseat moderate, if it's in passing, but when it is an entire post dedicated to it, then I'll give strike etc.

nelz0r wrote:Just showing you guys how ridiculous the rules are. Some of them are fair, such as the double posting rules and what not, but when mods get all power hungry and ban someone for a week because they accidentally misspell a word? Thats just crazy talk.

What I'm looking for in posts are a capital letter to start and a full stop to finish, commas are nice but not necessary. Grammar is a little different... if there's a small slip up, PM them if you feel the need. Obvious spelling errors for simple words are an eyesore, I'll either tell them to fix it up via chatbox or mention it in passing for them to correct; unless it's blatant and they haven't corrected it.
If you believe there has been some wrong doing, on the Administration's side, please message us via the Contact Us option. I DO take a second look if someone informs me of wrong doings. Though if it is you who has been wronged, I don't want someone else to be a mediator, it has to be you telling me that there's been a mistake.
I'm happy to explain certain decisions made to people... sometimes... every now and then I'm not in the mood...

On topic: I agree with Joey, that spring looks like an extended Mavrick/Spectre spring. Looks like Nerf is going into a 'better gun overall' age with their internals, hopefully.

nelz0r wrote:
two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Dude, I actually thought you were one of the 'good guys' on this forums. You just lost my respect.

Inf0rm3r is well respected on this website as he supplies copious amount of foams and before that he supplied Nerf Guns that weren't even possible to get into Australia until now.

Gooni... why didn't you report this like two days earlier! I saw a Sonic Nitefinder and I thought to myself.... Nahhhh, I don't need it. Now I'm curious ><. Oh well that $15 I could of spent on a Sonic NiteFinder went towards a Spectre for $19.20 :D.

phuonguyen wrote:
It's pretty hard to moderate when you're asleep... plus I've got better things to do than to moderate OzNerf on Christmas. If I'm 'online' it's usually just my computer having the site open on the site, and me watching TV ducking in and out, or I'm in chatbox. I've found that I've been a bit more lenient, after all it IS Christmas. I don't mind if some members backseat moderate, if it's in passing, but when it is an entire post dedicated to it, then I'll give strike etc.

Actually I must have given you the wrong impression. As I have never seen anyone get a strike for backseat moderating at all I was referring to that. Not that the immediate timing of the striking at hand.

Anyways that is what I was getting at, feel free to delete all of this mess if you feel up to it.

littlebro05 wrote:

nelz0r wrote:
two = too

Read the rules and learn some grammar.

Dude, I actually thought you were one of the 'good guys' on this forums. You just lost my respect.

Inf0rm3r is well respected on this website as he supplies copious amount of foams and before that he supplied Nerf Guns that weren't even possible to get into Australia until now.

Gooni... why didn't you report this like two days earlier! I saw a Sonic Nitefinder and I thought to myself.... Nahhhh, I don't need it. Now I'm curious ><. Oh well that $15 I could of spent on a Sonic NiteFinder went towards a Spectre for $19.20 :D.

Sorry lil B, I did get it on Thursday night but only took it out of the box today. Am still to mod it yet, but hay its Christmas. And there seems to be a bit more power out of it.I've only taken out the AR and it is hitting my bedroom wall at about the same hight I'm firing and that is about 10+m( I'm not home at the moment).

@ Brad, Well I find it easier to compress the standard yellow NF spring between my fingers than the sonic spring. So I would be leaning towards the sonic being stronger, but not my much.
On a side note, the first stampede springs that we got from Lachlin will fit the NF plunger tube, and with the normal re-enforcement that one embarks upon when using a c836 i dare to say might make for one pwn NF. More to come on this.

So now I have to go and get a sonic mav and all the rest sooner or later.

Gooni.

Maybe the weaker plastic used in constructing the sonic and clear blasters made nerf think people would think twice about opening it up to modify.

Could this be a new Gen 5 (6,7,whatever?) Nitefinder design we might expect to see more of?

EDIT: Actually, if the spring is different, maybe they did it to stop people from trying to add it into a Longshot?

Joey wrote:Actually I must have given you the wrong impression. As I have never seen anyone get a strike for backseat moderating at all I was referring to that. Not that the immediate timing of the striking at hand.

Anyways that is what I was getting at, feel free to delete all of this mess if you feel up to it.

Nah... I just had Christmas dinner, all I'm thinking about is being lazy and going to sleep.

SnowDragon wrote:Actually, if the spring is different, maybe they did it to stop people from trying to add it into a Longshot?

It would actually be a better spring to put into other guns, because of the larger gaps between each of the coils.

It means that the spring can compress to a smaller length which is ideal.

Maybe the "fins" on the plunger rod may relieve stress on the plunger head screw if there were to be a spring replacement. Do you know if a C836? spring (not sure what the number is) could still fit in there?

kingster20 wrote:Maybe the "fins" on the plunger rod may relieve stress on the plunger head screw if there were to be a spring replacement. Do you know if a C836? spring (not sure what the number is) could still fit in there?

Indeed the C836 spring can still be used as the plunger tube size is the same as a standard NF. As long as you cut a few coils of the C836 as is the norm and I would still reinforce the plunger head,and all will be good.

On this subject of modding, Has anyone found a good way of strengthening the plunger tube mounts. I have broken a few with C836 springs.

Image sourced from Brads NF how-to

Also, Brad has found that all sonic NF's are not the same, One he bought had the old spring and glued barrel. So it will be hit and miss getting one with the mod friendly internals.

Gooni.

gooni wrote:

On this subject of modding, Has anyone found a good way of strengthening the plunger tube mounts. I have broken a few with C836 springs.

Image sourced from Brads NF how-to

I've had the same problem of exploding Nitefinders.:( Maybe if you're sure you're never gonna open your NF's you could just glue down the plunger tube I guess. Oh, and is there any way to cut down such mighty springs without a dremel?

kingster20 wrote:

gooni wrote:

On this subject of modding, Has anyone found a good way of strengthening the plunger tube mounts. I have broken a few with C836 springs.

Image sourced from Brads NF how-to

I've had the same problem of exploding Nitefinders.:( Maybe if you're sure you're never gonna open your NF's you could just glue down the plunger tube I guess. Oh, and is there any way to cut down such mighty springs without a dremel?

Just put a small washer ontop of the 'lip', then screw the screw in. That's what I've done and it's been fine ever since.

I'm not sure which internals are which, it would help if you said regular NF on top, sonic beneath.

I have a yellow NF that has the bottom spring, the top plunger rod, and a glued plunger/barrel assembly like you wouldn't believe (it had visible dried balls of glue protruding from each glued section, and the boiling water trick achieved literally nothing).

My question is, is this normal for a yellow NF?
Are their many different combination's of assemblies available?

Also, i apologize in advance if any of this post is inappropriate, it is my first post.

Yeah, Nerf have started gluing NF internals, to stop us modding.

This is really interesting, because the this would have cost Nerf more money to do, and given the current financial climate, you would think that they would save minor but costly internal changes until later. By the way, has anyone got a proper range test for one of these?

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I've had the same problem of exploding Nitefinders.:( Maybe if you're sure you're never gonna open your NF's you could just glue down the plunger tube I guess. Oh, and is there any way to cut down such mighty springs without a dremel?[/quote]

I've used on different occasions, bolt cutters (lazy option), a bench grinder, and a jewellery file. Anything you can get enough leverage with should be able to cut the wire, or anything with a hard or sharp enough cutting edge/surface. Even a large enough pair of side cutters should make enough of a dent that you can torsion break the spring where you want.

I like switchblade did, I tried using washers to reinforce the mount points, then found some leftover screws from another nerf gun (can't remember which) with the built-in-washer style heads, which worked very well. Just for safety though, I laminated a small piece of metal plate to each mount. Aluminium should be sufficient, but I had a small plate of titanium, so just in case... In short, to make stuff stronger, add more metal.