Lanard Shotgun/Airzone Triple shot into "OCTO-Shot" write up.

- updated Apr 22/2011

- update Apr 12/2011

- update march 30/2011






Okay guys! Here's the write up to my Octo-shot.



This is my very first write up so I hope it will be satisfactory.

Since most of you interested in this have already created a Quadshot I won't waste your time with the mods that Badwrench and Zorn have done to the LSG/AZ3hot. Most of those have been done to mine as well. But here's what I've done differently to create my Octo-Shot. (I haven't given it a name yet, but S.O.B seems fitting.)

The first thing I'll deal with is, structure:



After I first built it and fired several shots, I opened it back up to find MANY stress points. As you know, the plastic used in this gun is very cheap!

As you can see, I've epoxy puttied the plunger tube support and the rotation sled support towards the front of the gun (on both halves).



Here you can see how I've puttied around the catch support and the rear plunger tube support.



...the other half



I've since added putty here, around the trigger and added an extra spring. The plastic for the trigger guide is particularly flimsy.



Here's the priming handle with foam and hot glue. The foam and hot glue used throughout the blaster is for sound muffling and an attempt to minimize the cheap plastic sound that it makes when handling it.



I also added epoxy putty to the front of the shell around the area that supports the turret towards to top part of the shell. for some reason this area (stock) is very flimsy as well. I suggest doing this, even for your Quadshots.



Once the blaster is put back together, I added an extra spring here for the catch...



...because of the main spring I chose.



This is how I handled my turret to plunger seal.



You're going to need one of these:



I cut a 1/2 inch of 3/4 inch CPVC and beveled the inside (both ends) with a Dremel like so:



The suction cup has a little nub thing on the back that you have to cut off.




I superglued the suction cup into the CPVC.



Once I did that, I Dremeled out the center, e-taped, gooped and nested the stock white thing inside. This creates a wider surface area covering more of the rear loading holes in the new turret.



...Here it comes....



I used this:



To quote ForsakenAngel24, "SACRFICE!!!!"

After I brought this up to the alter, held up my mighty screw driver and cut out it's still beating heart, I placed it in boiling water to loosen the glue towards the front of the turret. The part that looks kind of like a star. Poor thing never got to blow it's load... not even once.

sorry no pics of the procedure.... yet

Here you can get an idea of what I had to do. I cut around the barrels leaving 1/2 an inch for my new barrels to be nested in, being very careful not to cut or damage the center post.


Shot at 2011-03-24


Shot at 2011-03-24

For the new barrels to nest in snuggly, I also had to Dremel out the remaining barrels. It took me quite a while to achieve this, I didn't want to ruin it now.

I had to cut off a little bit of the back of the turret-mech to make it fit in the LSG. Don't cut it too short. Make it fit EXACTLY.




The back of the turret has a lot of holes/spaces. I thought about hot gluing or epxy puttying them but I knew I could never get a smooth surface. My solution was this:



...a duo-tang folder. I sized and cut out a circle to fit. Super glued it careful to make sure that it completely covered the soon-to-be rear loading holes. The translucent plastic helped with being able see the rear loading holes to Dremel out.



The turret fits in perfecrly with the shell. With the new plunger seal, it pushes quite heavily against the turret, but with the added support to the front shell (shown earlier) it shouldn't be a problem.

THERE YOUZ ALL GO!!!

Put it all back together and you have an Octo-shot!



Good Luck!!!

HAH

you made me laugh hard!

Thanks for sharing the write-up and the range tests too bro!
Keep making vids... They're really fun to watch!

Now... I'm gonna have to find a way to get that spring of yours... mm mmm mmmmm...

Oh man that video is great, not just for the Octoshot factor, but also for the laughs!

With some guessing on prices I have calculated the estimated cost. (Assuming you don't already have some parts)

Quadshot - $30
Epoxy Putty - $7.50 (per tube may need more)
Suction cup thing - $2
Air Zone gun - $15/$20 (big Guess)
PETG - $7 (may change depending on length of barrels)
Plastic sheet folder - $2
15mm PVC (similar size to 3/4) $4 (with lots to spare)

TOTAL - around $75 depending on store prices, amount of putty and weather or not you have pvc already.

If anyone knows the exact prices of these parts especially the Air Zone blaster please let me know.

I will let you know, exactly! (Canadian prices before taxes)

Tripleshot; $19.99,

Dart Blaster (turret sacrifice); $9.96,

Acrylic Barrels; $6.40 ($0.80 per foot),

Epoxy putty; $4.00 (2 tubes $2.00 each, Dolorama),

Folder; $1.00 (Dolorama)

3/4" PVC $3.49 (sold in 5 foot lengths. Yes, a lot to spare),

Suction cup $2.99 (package of 4)

*Super spring; $7.49

Everyone's reaction; PRICELESS!!!


...but seriously,

Total cost before taxes; $55.32

Total cost after taxes; $63.06

Plus 12 to 14 hours of labor. I could probably do it in 8 or 9 now.

If I were to commision this, I'd have to charge around $200.00. Not including shipping.

So all and all, you were pretty close.

Unknown wrote:With some guessing on prices I have calculated the estimated cost. (Assuming you don't already have some parts)

Quadshot - $30
Epoxy Putty - $7.50 (per tube may need more)
Suction cup thing - $2
Air Zone gun - $15/$20 (big Guess)
PETG - $7 (may change depending on length of barrels)
Plastic sheet folder - $2
15mm PVC (similar size to 3/4) $4 (with lots to spare)

TOTAL - around $75 depending on store prices, amount of putty and weather or not you have pvc already.

If anyone knows the exact prices of these parts especially the Air Zone blaster please let me know.

Can you give us the name of the Blaster that you sacrifice the turret from?

It's actually just called. "Dart Blaster". It's by Airzone. Ironically, the shell is probably the best constructed blaster I've ever come accross. The plastic is very thick and sturdy! I'm going to use it for something else for sure. The shell for the Tripleshot is like tissue paper in comparison to this thing. it's too bad the internals are no better than a Maverick.

...Haha. I've just got an idea. Since I have the Tripleshot turret just laying around, I'll put it in this thing. Genious!!! I am of the s-m-r-t!!


By makeitgo at 2011-03-24

Great writeup mate, I was wondering if anyone had re-turreted this gun yet.

Sales of Air Zone Dart Blasters have gone through the roof since this write-up was made.
I can't even find them at any TrUs here at the moment.

makeitgo wrote:...Haha. I've just got an idea. Since I have the Tripleshot turret just laying around, I'll put it in this thing. Genious!!! I am of the s-m-r-t!!

Nah, put it in a Lanard Hand Cannon instead; the yellow shell is stronger.

KingCam wrote:Can you give us the name of the Blaster that you sacrifice the turret from?

Really, that kind of response rears in ugly when you don't pay attention...

Wow, that's pretty slick. I should do that with a RF20 turret. Actually, that wouldn't work. Still, sweet job!

Haha. I saw this on the NerfHQ thread! I like it because you're an Canadian Asian and I'm Asian too! Wooo.

Haha, the octo shot is like the little brother of the doomsayer if you think about it. Both have giant plunger tubes, and lots of ammo capacity. I'm too lazy to actually do this mod, so I just get an RSCB and get ranges of about 100-110ft. I'm satisfied haha! I like it as this is an 'original' mod haha.

I should get endorsements from them.

Silent Scope wrote:Sales of Air Zone Dart Blasters have gone through the roof since this write-up was made.
I can't even find them at any TrUs here at the moment.

Props to you dude, and here I thought that everything that could be done to a triple shot had been done to a triple shot.

Hey MIG, did you modify the plunger head for more seal at all? Or is it still standard?

boosted6 wrote:Hey MIG, did you modify the plunger head for more seal at all? Or is it still standard?

I've done what most people have done for their plunger heads. I've taken off the little nub piece. hot glued 3 foam disks for padding. And added E-Tape. It's hard to see in the photo but I've also added 2 O-rings. What you're trying to do is make sure there are no air leaks while the plunger goes in and none as it primes (vaccum loading) but not too tight so that friction will hinder the plunger travel. You'll have to test it over, and over, to find just the right fit. I opened and closed this thing so many times testing the power and range until I found the perfect fit. I'm sure it will be different for everyone.
Anyway, this is what mine looks like.
By makeitgo at 2011-03-24

I am however, going to try SilentScopes' plunger head method because it just seems so much more efficient. Check out his http://www.oznerf.com/t2737-lanard-shot-gun-airzone-triple-shot-overhaul

I found that 1 1/2 rolls of etape and a nice fitting conduit/barrel material will make it vaccuum load 9/10 times. The dart condition could play a role in that as well.

I have the same setup as make it go with my plunger, minus the foam disks. Need to look around for those things.

Ah fantastic thanks very much mate.

Argh.

It's not my method; it's -Aj-'s method. I even put big letters to emphasise who deserves the credit while typing my write-up.
On the flip-side, however, thanks for advertising my write-up.

This is boss. Well done sir.

Aj

Silent Scope wrote:Argh.

It's not my method; it's -Aj-'s method. I even put big letters to emphasise who deserves the credit while typing my write-up.
On the flip-side, however, thanks for advertising my write-up.

Apologize Silent, I was aware you gave full credit to AJ (Thanks for the Compliment AJ), but what I meant was, '...like in Silent Scopes' write-up' - knowing full well that the credit is given within your write-up.

Lol, it's all cool, SS's is slightly different to mine, and a very solid design. Really the only thing I did was persist until I got the bathplug plunger working, then other people have gone on to do better things with it, such as Brad's ausbow and SS's triple shot....

This thing is a beast though, how fragile does it seem? ie have you warred with it yet?

Aj

2120 wrote:I have the same setup as make it go with my plunger, minus the foam disks. Need to look around for those things.

I don't know about Australia, but here in Canada, you can find "Disk Shooters" in the toy section of the Dolorama (Dollar Store). The gun SUCKS but for $1.50, you get 10 foam disks. I actually picked mine up at the local thrift store for $0.25. I payed with pennies. LOL!

They look like this:

They're quite abundant in Aus, foam from a cut up buzzbee or bbb missile works well too

Aj

Hey AJ!!! I haven't warred with it yet. Hopefully next month at Massacre 6 as long as my knee is better. But let me tell you, with all the extra structural support I put in this thing, it is F#$*n' BOSS of the BEASTS!!! You have to actually hold it in your hands to fully appreciate how structurally sound this thing is. I've even added more since this initial write-up! The key was to re-open it and look for stress after so many firings. Because I've completely DESTROYED Cardboard boxes from 25/30 feet away, with the 'MAN' spring I put in it, stress points lit up like a Christmas tree. I applied appropriate measures and haven't found anymore stress at all.

I have a basic Quadshot as well that gets 115 feet with minimal structural support and as solid as that feels, my Octo-shot is just that much more. Friends that have held it and/or fired it all have the same reaction, "HOLY SHIT! What the hell did you do to this thing?!?"

I still take it apart for maintenance. But have not found any more undo stress.

Try plastecine, (spelling?) basically the clay kids use that doesn't set. I use it to weight and fill out my blasters, it really helps kill that plastic/cheap/flexy feeling. I used that in the pump grip and handle and part of the body of my TS, worked wonders.

Aj

-Aj- wrote:Try plastecine, (spelling?) basically the clay kids use that doesn't set. I use it to weight and fill out my blasters, it really helps kill that plastic/cheap/flexy feeling. I used that in the pump grip and handle and part of the body of my TS, worked wonders.

Aj

How about blue tack? Not too sure about price equivalents but they're both sticky, yet not permanent, heavy but not lead weights.

@makeitgo, I found the Total X-Stream Zip Shot. Put in two discs, I can notice the muffling. I suppose it doens't hurt the seal either. Thanks! And when you say maintenance, what would you do?

2120 wrote:
@makeitgo, I found the Total X-Stream Zip Shot. Put in two discs, I can notice the muffling. I suppose it doens't hurt the seal either. Thanks! And when you say maintenance, what would you do?

Basically, what I mean by maintenance is, checking to see that everything is in order and CLEAN. It is an open turret so dirt will find it's way in there. Especially within the rotation mech itself (If you have a pet, you're totally screwed for dust and dirt). I make sure there is sufficient lubrication on the plunger head as well as the seal from the plunger tube to the turret. I actually put a thin coat of silicon gel over the surface of the turret (where the rear loading holes are). If you're using E-tape around your plunger head, you'll notice that it will start to rub off on the interior of the plunger tube. It looks like scuff marks. I clean that out and replace the E-tape. Plus, the foam disks eventually compress too much to effectively work as a cushion so you'll have to eventually replace those as well.

I'm always inspecting for signs of stress in the blaster. Because of the spring I've put in it, I've also had to add support in the priming handle.

Thanks for sharing Makeitgo, very inspiring.

Where did you get the spring from and is it possible to share a link so we might access them?

lefty wrote:Thanks for sharing Makeitgo, very inspiring.

Where did you get the spring from and is it possible to share a link so we might access them?

[img] By makeitgo at 2011-04-06[/img]

From what I can still read:

Century Spring Corp., Los Angeles, Ca
Phone: 1-800-237-5225
www.centuryspring.com

C-874
1-3/8 x 6 x .120 (inches)
34.925 x 152.4 x 3.048 (millimeters)

On the reverse: Forney Spring/Ressort 72667
there are 2 barcodes: 0 62277 72667 3
the second is: 0 38594 00874 4

*update I just looked it up. It's rated for 50 lbs.!!! Yes, it is very hard to prime. http://www.hardwareandtools.com/Century-Spring-C-874-1-3-8-Inch-Od-Compression-Spring-u682484.html

I've noticed something in the video which happens to a few triple shots and that is when you priming it, it sounds like it doesn't prime all the way back. When you prime it I can hear 'one click' forwards. As you know the Triple shots have intervals on the plunger rod's catch thingo ma bob.

littlebro05 wrote:I've noticed something in the video which happens to a few triple shots and that is when you priming it, it sounds like it doesn't prime all the way back. When you prime it I can hear 'one click' forwards. As you know the Triple shots have intervals on the plunger rod's catch thingo ma bob.

Most of the time I get 7 clicks but there are rare occasions when I can actually catch the 8th. I've heard of people getting up to 9 but I don't think that would be possible with the spring that's in mine. I don't have a problem with only hitting 140' flat. Apparently, that's pretty good for a springer.

It's not 'apparently'. That's really good for a springer. People must have high standards to pump out as much range as they can from a Nerf Blaster. They forget the one reason why this hobby is legal. Haha.

The spring you thrown up there looks like I might be able to purchase it since there's a line of use there. I will have to work on a better spring catch. That can go prime all the way. You can't believe how that 'extra' click makes the big difference of it all.

Maybe the spring is abit long?

I've integrated a recon spring with the standard TS spring, putting it all together today hopefully so will see how it works.
If it needs more, i've got exactly the same spring again, but stronger, its one i bought specially from overseas.

Is this availible for contract?

makeitgo wrote:

lefty wrote:Thanks for sharing Makeitgo, very inspiring.

Where did you get the spring from and is it possible to share a link so we might access them?

[img] By makeitgo at 2011-04-06[/img]

From what I can still read:

Century Spring Corp., Los Angeles, Ca
Phone: 1-800-237-5225
www.centuryspring.com

C-874
1-3/8 x 6 x .120 (inches)
34.925 x 152.4 x 3.048 (millimeters)

On the reverse: Forney Spring/Ressort 72667
there are 2 barcodes: 0 62277 72667 3
the second is: 0 38594 00874 4

*update I just looked it up. It's rated for 50 lbs.!!! Yes, it is very hard to prime. http://www.hardwareandtools.com/Century-Spring-C-874-1-3-8-Inch-Od-Compression-Spring-u682484.html

Can't we get that from bunnings?