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    Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

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    Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Reaper on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:07 am

    Well, having come here from the New Releases thread, I figured that I should create one of these.

    Basically speaking, this is a place for discussion and debate on which one is superior - Stampede or Rayven. Continue the discussion from the New Releases thread, basically.

    Note: this is not a 'which one is better' thread, this is a thread for INTELLIGENT DEBATE. Don't just say 'Rayven is better' and that's all.

    Note 2: Admins, if you deem this thread to be against the rules, feel free to lock it immediately. I just decided to take Oxymoron's suggestion and start a new thread for this discussion.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  GirlyGamer on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:12 am

    How can we know and have a fully educated view until it's released?
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Echoes on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:34 am

    I think that's been the flaw of this argument the whole time; Giving opinions on a blaster that you've never touched.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  spectre on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:50 am

    Echoes wrote:I think that's been the flaw of this argument the whole time; Giving opinions on a blaster that you've never touched.


    Exactly... the best guestimation approach is purely hypothetical until you've got a Rayven in your hot little hands.

    Having said that however an observation I did make (thanks to the UT blog review) was this is a rear flywheel weapon, thus despite the possibility of better accuracy (and reported streamline dart compatibility) the dart will incur increased drag as it passes through the longer internal barrel on it's way to it's intended target.

    At this stage I'd be more likely to shell out for a Stampede than a Christmas released Rayven...
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  clunk07 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:14 am

    Yep, along with hardly anyone actually field-testing a Rayven yet...

    You can't really compare the two. Yes, they both run off batteries, but one is a springer, the other a flywheel. Apples and oranges mate...

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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Reaper on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:37 am

    Personally, I think that the Stampede will be a more powerful and reliable weapon at long range, and full-auto (which is always a bonus, especially in HvZ).

    So I'll almost certainly be picking one of these up, but I doubt that it'll replace my 'Pede as my primary (especially if I get a commission from Clunk).
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Joey on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:49 am

    These kinds of threads aren't exactly against the rules they just have a habit of causing flame wars. Time and time again people have proven that they cannot be civil when it comes to "Apple vs Orange".

    Here is the bottom line, again, each has their own advantages in different situations.

    You might as well compare two totally different guns it would be just as impractical.


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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Reaper on Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:11 am

    I disagree. This thread is for the discussion of which is better in which specific situation.

    Also, if any flame wars start, could you guys please lock it immediately? I don't want that kind of thing (I saw too many of them when I joined).
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Sadavi5 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:09 am

    I'll be buying the Rayven for two major reasons. One, I want that light clip, though I can't fathom ever, ever using it with the Rayven... would look good on a thick Recon mod or, frankly, a 'pede. And two, the shell looks great. I can make it into a fantastic prop with fair ease. Could be a long-rifle, a snub-nose assault deal... hell, with some work I could probably get a heavy pistol out of it. I can see some real badass coming out of this thing in my- if I may say so myself- cosmetically capable hands.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  sir on Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:27 am

    Having tried the rayvng....I think the rayven is the better gun.

    Smaller, lighter, easier to volt mod.

    And the clip release design is great.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  oznerfnerd on Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:29 am

    Don't know about the new one yet, but....

    If they do manage to bring out a better motorized blaster (flywheel or springer) than the Stampede, then I'll buy a dozen.

    The Stampede is a well wicked modders delight.

    Once you've got your head around the modding proceedure and don't stuff it up (causing auto fire, jamming, etc), you've got one of the best mid range blasters around.

    I hope the new one is better, as it would be a legendary advancement by Nerf.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Swatsonia on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:07 am

    As I've previously stated, the rayven will be best for lightweight rushers, and those who just simply like to be tacticool.

    Stampede is also great, but does have tendency to burn through darts far quicker than a rayven would.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Jeo on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:43 am

    Swatsonia wrote:does have tendency to burn through darts far quicker than a rayven would.

    How could you possibly know that?
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Echoes on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:19 pm

    Jeo wrote:How could you possibly know that?

    Semi auto vs Full auto fire is the assumption he'd be going by... I assume.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:32 pm

    From the test video Neil had up. It look like the 'semi-auto' component has a pretty quick trigger pull though.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Echoes on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:37 pm

    littlebro05 wrote:From the test video Neil had up. It look like the 'semi-auto' component has a pretty quick trigger pull though.

    True, but that wasn't my point. My point was with a stampede, you can easily hold down the trigger for a few seconds and fire 8 shots off, whereas with the Rayven you'd need to pull the trigger 8 times for that to happen. That's just how I view it.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:39 pm

    I guess the 'noise' has a scare factor to it. Although, for application I believe the Stampede is more universal as it can compete in EPEEN and Regular wars. Althoguh I would like to see a Rayven go in an EPEEN.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Echoes on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:52 pm

    Lol. You don't need to capitalise epeen for me, let alone twice.

    I use foam knives in epeen due to an elbow injury I picked up a while ago. While I may not be the most effective player, I can still hold my own and I do have a place in the team (though that may just be the distraction that draws fire or the guy that leaps from the bushes and tags the two guys with their 4B's and 3K's). My point is that the Rayven will find a similar place in epeen. While it may not be able to engage directly like how the stampede can, it'll still be useful for other things.

    It isn't how far your blaster shoots, at least not entirely. There's also the human element.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Nooft1187 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:44 pm

    Wonder how it would go as a longshot intergration, maybe have to single the longshot and shorten (if possible) the raven.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:47 pm

    Rayven aeshetic wise has a really great shape. However, one must ask, why is it lime green!? I think both would be equally comfortable to hold though.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Cocopops on Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:53 pm

    I'm hoping the lime green is 'their' way of hinting at future expansions on the n-strike range. Hopefully there will be more to come.

    As far as performance goes, Urban Taggers' stuck 16 or so volts into it, and while it sounded like a chainsaw gangbang (in the bad way), it was touching just under 100ft. For anyone who has taken a look at the internals, it has fairly long built-in barrel. People willing to look past this blasters cosmetic cleavage are defiantly going to be churning out some scary things - Minimization and barrel removal will hopefully see this blaster hitting 120".

    In all honesty, once properly modded, the stampede's full-auto 4/5-dart-per-second ROF, combined with ranged of around ~70ft flat, are very hard stats to match.

    On a side note, the longshot, however, might just have a bit to worry about.

    My only concern is how long the rayven will survive at 16+volts. Only time will tell.


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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  False on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:07 am

    I can see some really nice designs coming out of this blaster, cosmetics wise. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:18 am

    They both get apparently 100ft ranges. In the firing test videos, he was firing angled. The rayven is probably getting the same range as the stampede. The question is reliability. The stampede would seem to fire darts more straight because of it's plunger system. Whereas the Rayven, lacks that aspect and fly wheels i guess must have more inconsistencies. As in the 'battle test video' I saw like 30% of the darts go flippy floppy, and the others not go that straight. However, these were using streamlines. I know that the stampede can do the same thing, but from my experience, the stampede doesn't flippy floppy anymore than 15% of the time with streamlines.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  clunk07 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:49 am

    Cocopops wrote:
    On a side note, the longshot, however, might just have a bit to worry about.

    My only concern is how long the rayven will survive at 16+volts. Only time will tell.


    Will be really impressed to see a fly-wheel blaster out-range a BBLS...

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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:57 am

    Well like i said before. I think the Rayven's abilities will only be good in Dart Tag Style field setups or indoor wars. Outdoors in a proper modified war. It will struggle. All speculation though. If someone rocks up with a Rayven to the Woodland wars I hsot and owns. I will be standing corrected. Until then, I can only speculate.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Cocopops on Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:49 pm

    Ah I see. I assumed he was firing flat.

    If thats the case, then I supose the longshot doesn't have much to worry about, but, as lilbro said, we can only speculate.
    Another thing, I do agree that the stampede looks to be more consistant.

    Intigrations should be interesting.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Jeo on Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:23 am

    I'm going to have a go with the Rayven at an indoor game today. Will report back.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:44 am

    Firing a stampede flat will probably sport the same ranges as the Rayven.

    Jeo tell us how often the darts go flippy floppy when you get back =).
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Jeo on Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:52 pm

    Right, had a bit of a go with it indoors today but was mostly on the receiving end. Tried it with 2LiPo's and 2 standard AA's, 3 and 1, and just 4 LiPo's. 3 and 4 LiPo's worked ok, certainly made more noise, but you'd only get less than a dozen shots off before it would shut down (presumably due to heat?); couldn't say if it got better ranges. Worked far more consistently with 2 and 2 (so roughly 10-11v), and had far less floppy darts. I'm trying to think back now as to roughly how many darts went 'floppy' and I just can't remember. From that logic I'm going to assume that it couldn't have been that many, certainly not as many as appears to be happening in the videos (in which Neil was running 16v?). Like anything, brand new darts seemed to help too, but even then it didn't appear to be as picky as any other clip fed blaster I've used before. Don't think I saw it jam once all day.

    Ranges and ROF were honestly quite impressive. Couldn't give you accurate measures as I didn't have anything to measure with and I'm not one to speculate. As a comparison however, it significantly out ranged my Raider that's been AR'd and BTV2 sprung, probably a little less range than my C836'd and AR'd NiteFinder. ROF was probably on par with a 12v Stampede, if anything maybe a little quicker. Biggest difference I guess would be that the darts don't appear to be travelling as fast as a BT kitted Stampede. Holy hell did it make some noise though.

    Being on the receiving end wasn't really that different to facing down a modded stampede. Seemed to be peppered with 5-6 darts fairly regularly from a range I thought was pretty safe at the start of the day, but once you figured out it's range it wasn't all that different to practically any other relatively fast firing blaster (Stampede, Raider, Barricade, etc).

    Overall;
    Quite fun to play with.
    Very easy to voltage mod.
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    Better ranges than expected.
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    Will almost certainly buy at least one, probably a couple.
    Wouldn't be prepared to say that it's better or worse than any other blaster out there at the moment, but it is certainly different. It has it's similarities to the Stampede, Raider and Barricade, but they all still have their pros and cons.
    It's not a LongShot, nor will it ever be. Don't expect it to be one and you won't be upset.

    For games with modding restrictions like we play in Canberra, I'm sure you'd have absolutely no problems if you turned up with a 10-12v Rayven.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Cocopops on Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:59 pm

    Good to hear from someone whose handled one of these, jeo. Its enlightening to know what voltages the blaster survives at.
    Its also good to hear that this blaster will have a class of its own.

    Can't wait to see what some of the cosmetic-fans make out of this.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:50 am

    Hey Jeo. Out of curiosity how accurate was the rayven. From what I remember, fly sheels weren't that accurate unless you shoot whistlers and suctions as they had heavier tips. Whereas streamlines swivel, fish tail and veer off into the distance.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Swatsonia on Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:28 am

    littlebro05 wrote:Hey Jeo. Out of curiosity how accurate was the rayven. From what I remember, fly sheels weren't that accurate unless you shoot whistlers and suctions as they had heavier tips. Whereas streamlines swivel, fish tail and veer off into the distance.

    Isn't that the case with streamlines mostly?

    Unfortunately, being a CS blaster, whistlers wouldn't feed as well, not to mention, the barrel looks a bit thin to shoot whisters reliably as well.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  Jeo on Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:55 am

    Didn't notice it to be particularly good or bad. I'd say pretty similar to a Barricade. Certainly better than my old Buzzbee Tommy20's.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  littlebro05 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:56 am

    I was referring to the barricade shooting whistlers. General flywheel blasters. This is probably the first flywheel CS blaster.
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    Re: Stampede vs. Rayven Discussion

    Post  cfb_rolley on Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:53 am

    They would both have their applications, both can be "tacticool", the stampede has tons of rails on it but you probably wouldn't try climbing over tons of obstacles and getting through tight areas with a stampede, and hence the Rayven would be better for that. but if you're out in the open or something I'd definitely prefer the stampede. eh, apples and oranges.

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