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    25M/80' Recon mod (should work with all other reverse plunger blasters)

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    Post  Dietzie Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:28 pm

    Yes I can see the flameage coming at me already but this mod got my Recon to shoot 25M flat and into the wind before hitting tall weeds 30cm above the ground in the neighbours yard.

    The mod itself is very simple and should work on any reverse plunger blaster.
    The biggest problem with R/P blasters from what I can gather is the void behind the dart. By reducing this dead space and preventing the air compression (and therefore lower air velocity) between pulling the trigger and the dart breaking the seal in the barrel.

    The Recon I used for this mod was already hitting 40' with an A/R removal and preloaded spring.
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    As you can see in the following picture there is a lot of dead space in the tube.
    25M/80' Recon mod  (should work with all other reverse plunger blasters) PB300003

    Now to rectify this problem.
    First up identify where the A/R was located and mark it.
    25M/80' Recon mod  (should work with all other reverse plunger blasters) PB300004

    Then measure and cut a piece of small tubing to fit between your mark and the back of the tube( I used 10mm O/D 1mm wall alloy tubing)
    Then using tape, grommets, silicon or expanda foam fix the tubing in to the center of the plunger tube flush with the base.
    25M/80' Recon mod  (should work with all other reverse plunger blasters) PB300007

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    25M/80' Recon mod  (should work with all other reverse plunger blasters) PB300008

    Allow to cure/set, re-assemble and keep out of reach of children


    Edit: Don't forget the plunger padding if you have removed your A/Rs. This applies to all R/P blasters.




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    Post  littlebro05 Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:44 pm

    You said correctly. 25metres flat is already impossible for a Recon :P. With the strongest spring I could fine t he best I could get 25 metres angled at max.
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    Post  Dietzie Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:51 pm

    Well I'm getting that flat, with stock Stream Lines and a stock pre-loaded spring. Give it a go. You have nothing to loose


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    Post  littlebro05 Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:56 pm

    I would give it ago but I don't have a recon at the moment. (I do, but it's a bit faulty).

    I still won't believe you lol. I bet if you bring it out to a Nerf War, you will get completely different results :P.
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    Post  Dietzie Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:05 pm

    Well when I get the chance to get to one of the wars I shall prove myself.


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    Post  Synergie Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:06 pm

    Slight hi-jack: I'm new to Nerf guns and modding them, can you quickly explain what a pre-loaded spring is?
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    Post  Acerised Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:07 pm

    Dam, 25 metres
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    Post  Dietzie Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:10 pm

    Pre-loading the spring is pretty much what it sounds like.
    All you do is pack the spring seat to hold more tension on the spring, ie: Maverick: Coins or washers behind the spring
    Recon: Wire wrapped around the tube infront of the spring and taped down to hold it in place ( Black electrical tape as in pics)


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    Post  phuonguyen Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:23 pm

    Video or it didn't happen. Either that or have 3 people on the forum confirm.
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    Post  Roger Explosion Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:38 pm

    You know what. I can believe you can hit 25m with that mod. Why? because stock streamlines have a very rare tendency to fishtail upwards, so if you count that one hail mary shot as your ranges, it makes sense. Though you won't even get close to hitting the broardside of Aj's ego using stock streamlines


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    Post  Dietzie Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:19 am

    As soon as I can figure out a way to take the video that can not be disputed I will.


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    Post  Joey Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:24 am

    Not to mention you can get some fluke shots firing into the wind too

    Pointless range argument aside how will this mod affect your plunger I wonder?


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    Post  Dietzie Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:36 am

    In theory this mod would actually reduce the chance of damaging the plunger by adding some resistance to the air flow. I'm not talking any large margins but a small percentage reduction of breakages that would have happened.
    I think I have worked out how to shoot the video, once the rain at least eases I'll get to it.


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    Post  Hamish Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:47 am

    Roger Explosion wrote:You know what. I can believe you can hit 25m with that mod. Why? because stock streamlines have a very rare tendency to fishtail upwards, so if you count that one hail mary shot as your ranges, it makes sense. Though you won't even get close to hitting the broardside of Aj's ego using stock streamlines

    Tom's right.
    Aj fired his RF20 with stock streamlines when I was about 30m away. I thought no problem but I hid behind a tree. The dart curved around the tree and hit me.
    I might try this though I'd be expecting about 60'. You may be right though streamlines are so retarded.
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    Post  dandaldaks Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:11 am

    Man if you get 25 metres with a recon then I am soo jealous so trying that.
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    Post  wallo Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:42 pm

    Good job Dietzie... I look forward to trying this myself.

    There will always be cynics out there...
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    Post  lefty Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:44 am

    What is the average distance in meter's a modded Recon achieves? Ours seems to hit 15-16m.
    I'll give this mod ago but I'll have to wait a while as the kids have asked me to stop breaking their stuff.
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    Post  oxymoron Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:49 am

    Where is the video proof you speak of???
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    Post  bulletproofvest Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:50 am

    That's pretty insane, I have to try it.

    But we all know it's a <Censored> lie
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    Post  revo Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:15 am

    You should do a video tutorial, would be good help.
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    Post  bulletproofvest Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:28 am

    Whoever edited my post.. May you please ask first.

    EDIT:Hello. My name is phuonguyen. You might know me. I'm a member of the administration of Oz Nerf dot com. Yes, the "boys in blue" I think is the affectionate name given to us. Well there's one little thing, you might not know about us. We. Have. Absolute. Power. Well, as far as this forum is concerned.

    What does this mean for you? It means that I can do pretty much anything I want. Including editing your posts, or anyone else's posts. Tell you what, to also cement the idea that I CAN, in fact, do anything. There's something different.

    Kind regards,

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    Post  Hamish Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:32 am

    bulletproofvest wrote:Whoever edited my post.. May you please ask first.

    An Admin needn't ask your permission before editing your posts. Don't like it? Well, you can either choose to not use the website or use correct grammar as you should anyhow.

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    Post  SnowDragon Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:40 am

    bulletproofvest wrote:Whoever edited my post.. May you please ask first.

    Hamish wrote:
    bulletproofvest wrote:Whoever edited my post.. May you please ask first.

    An Admin needn't ask your permission before editing your posts. Don't like it? Well, you can either choose to not use the website or use correct grammar as you should anyhow.

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    Post  Switchblade Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:42 am

    bulletproofvest wrote:Whoever edited my post.. May you please ask first.
    You idiot, it's a mature language filter that has been put in place by the admins so that when certian key word (i.e. 'f'word, word for poo beginning with 's' stuff like that) become altered automatically to what you did in this post.

    Isnt this obvious to 99.9 percent of the people on the forum?
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    Post  Dietzie Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:46 am

    I asked an admin to remove this post until I could get consistent ranges at which point I will post the video proof. The mod does make decent improvements to the range but as expected I make no guarantees of the possible range increase. In the mean time, ignore the range in the title and just take what you get.


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    Post  phuonguyen Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:06 pm

    Well I don't really see the point in deleting the thread. I can lock the thread if you like, just PM myself or an admin if you have the proof.

    Though it is highly unlikely, the ranges seem unfeasible. It's a good habit to take an average across 5 or 10 darts. That way it removes the fluke/miraculous shots with streamlines and stefans.
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    Post  bulletproofvest Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:40 pm

    All I wrote was "That's pretty insane, I have to try it."... So what did I do wrong?
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    Post  dandaldaks Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:41 pm

    How about we all forget about it?
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    Post  Dietzie Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:44 pm

    bulletproofvest wrote:That's pretty insane, I have to try it.

    But we all know it's a <Censored> lie
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    But we all know it's a &lt;Censored&gt; lie

    This is your admin edited post and maybe an abuse of power?

    What reason would I have to lie exactly?
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    Post  dandaldaks Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:47 pm

    Please don't feed the admins, THEY BITE
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    Post  bulletproofvest Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:54 pm

    I diddn't write the small text, an admin edited the post and did.
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    Post  Dietzie Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:57 pm

    I have full respect for admins, when they don't abuse their power.
    For those wondering whats going on, copy and past the tiny, unreadable text into notepad to see what it says.


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    Post  bulletproofvest Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:00 pm

    Read my second post's small text. From phoungfidshbfgafbglidsig or however you spell it, This is really annoying.

    Please ban me. By being a dick, I show I want to be banned.

    You've been struck by the Banhammer. Not a smart idea to insult an admin.

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    Post  littlebro05 Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:00 pm

    Oh big deal. Have a cry about losing your contributor status going missing. Have you done anything else to contribute to the forum besides winge and cringe about things Nope, nothing. TheBradl3's on the other hands he actually got his contributor through hard ernest work by writing up modifications that are detailed yet easy to follow. And after he got contributor status, he continued to contribute to these forums with more write-ups. He's younger than you and he does more work than you did.

    Anyway, the contributor is just a 'status'. It's like being a school captain. After you graduate, no one really cares about them anymore and life goes on.

    Dietzie, sure we have some 'doubts'. However, I'm actually going to try it out on a Recon to see if it actually works. Even though I have my doubts about it, doesn't hurt to try. As most people know, I jump the gun alot... something I should stop doing... eventually.
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    Post  littlebro05 Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:45 pm

    Ok. I'm bumping this thread.

    After I spouted some flaming about this modification, I decided to do it with my own Recon. Here are the results I'm getting...

    Legend:
    1. - deadspace
    2. - deadspace reduction

    Results are recorded on my drive way which is about 50ft long from where I'm standing. These ranges are also measured at a 5-10degree angle. These darts are shot 'UP my drive way" and the up hill angle is approximately 10-15degrees.
    Inside the recon is a Black Tactical Longshot Version 1 Spring (1.7x the length of the normal BT Recon / Raider / Deploy Spring). AR has been removed and O-Ring lubed up.

    Ranges with Blue Foam Stefans... -
    1. 12-15metres
    2. 14-17metres

    Ranges with Streamlines... -
    1. 15-17metres
    2. 18-20metres

    I have felt the amount of air that has come out of the actual R Plunger AFTER the deadspace reduction and the amount of air I feel on my arm is approximately as much as you would feel from a double o-ring'd nitefinder. This mod does increase the air flow. However, claiming that this modification has 'doubled your range' is a bit of bullshat. However, I do now believe that this gun is 'war worthy' after you have done this modification and should be done in most R Plunger guns.

    Just to confirm, this mod DOES NOT double your range, BUT it will increase you range up to maybe 3-5metres as results vary. Thanks for the write Dietzie!

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